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Hmmm... could it be?? and G-d did not think it important enough to clearly state so when so much else of Rav Sha'ul's actions and decisions are very clearly delineated? Or did HaShem make something clear, quite to the contrary?? Something that normative christianity has either willfully (much of the time) or ignorantly (some of the time) ignored or twisted?Higher Truth said:quote:
(even Rav Sha'ul was instructed to go make sacrifices in the Temple to show that he and the believing Jews that he taught in the Diaspora all still obeyed Torah) -
HT:
The question is, did he sacrifice?
He went to the Temple and the priests TO perform the sacrifice as instructed by scripture. The only thing that prevented Rav Sha'ul from making the final required sacrifice was that the crowd nabbed him - thinking he had brought gentiles into the inner courts of the sanctuary - and he was taken away.Acts [font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]21:24 Them take, and purify thyself (see Numbers chapter 6 for what was required) with them, and be at charges with them (pay the costs of their purification), that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. [/font][font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. [/font][font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]21:26 Then Paul took the men (either he is a gross hypocrit or he is obedient to Torah), and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them. [/font][font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]21:27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him, [/font]
B'midbar 6
13 And this is the law of the Nazarite, when the days of his separation are fulfilled: he shall be brought unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation: 14 And he shall offer his offering unto the LORD, one he lamb of the first year without blemish for a burnt offering, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish for a sin offering, and one ram without blemish for peace offerings, 15 And a basket of unleavened bread, cakes of fine flour mingled with oil, and wafers of unleavened bread anointed with oil, and their meat offering, and their drink offerings. 16 And the priest shall bring them before the LORD, and shall offer his sin offering, and his burnt offering: 17 And he shall offer the ram for a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD, with the basket of unleavened bread: the priest shall offer also his meat offering, and his drink offering. 18 And the Nazarite shall shave the head of his separation at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shall take the hair of the head of his separation, and put it in the fire which is under the sacrifice of the peace offerings. 19 And the priest shall take the sodden shoulder of the ram, and one unleavened cake out of the basket, and one unleavened wafer, and shall put them upon the hands of the Nazarite, after the hair of his separation is shaven: 20 And the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the LORD: this is holy for the priest, with the wave breast and heave shoulder: and after that the Nazarite may drink wine. 21 This is the law of the Nazarite who hath vowed, and of his offering unto the LORD for his separation, beside that that his hand shall get: according to the vow which he vowed, so he must do after the law of his separation.
The End (which is just the beginning - LOL)HT said:Do you shave your head at the beginning or at the end of the vow, and where did Paul shave his head?
Acts 18:18
And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow.
"The fact that [Sha'ul] was maintaining a Nazarite vow while in the Diaspora, and that he cuts his hair at Cenchrea, should not be considered a breach of the Torah requirement to offer the sacrifice at the Temple at the conclusion of the vow. It was understood that when a Nazarite vow was taken outside of the Land, he would cut his hair at the end of the vowed period, and upon returning to the Land would complete the ceremony with the prescribed sacrifice." The Letter Writer - Tim Hegg (First Fruits of Zion - (c) 2000 - foot notes pg 287)
It makes NO difference whether they were or not - the ONLY point is that Rav Sha'ul WAS a believer. But, yes they were believers.HT said:Next question.Were the Jews that Paul was with believers?
Acts 21:23 [font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Do therefore this that we say to thee: We (the Messianic Counsel @ Jerusalem headed by Ya'acov the brother of Yeshua) have (belonging with us and therefore believers) four men which have a vow on them; (non-believing Jews were the ones that were angry with what they thought they knew about Sha'ul)[/font]
I'm curious as to where you're going with all of this. Not that I have a problem with any of your questions, I'm just having a little trouble seeing where this is leading.Higher Truth said:I have some more questions, and I appreciate all of the responses thus far. Thank you.
Is animal sacrifice always a part of purification?
Will animal sacrifice be necessary for believers if the Third Temple is built?
Did Paul author the book of Hebrews?
If I may? Do you mean the third temple to be built by human hands or the temple in heaven that will descend? For if it is the latter I believe that Isaiah 19 and Ezekiel 40-44 may help.Will animal sacrifice be necessary for believers if the Third Temple is built?
I was born Jewish but raised secular. My grandfather's (mother's side) family escaped from Poland to America during WWII and ended up converting to christianity because of Antisemitism in the States. My father's side of the family is Jewish as well, but most are either secular Jews or are christians as of this last century. That's where the "dillman" name comes from.... an Austrian band of Jews.
I have returned to the faith of my ancestors, and I attend a synagouge... and no, not messianic. I feel that there is nothing wrong with this expression as the early believers also attended synagouges (while reserving the 'messianic' meetings for within their homes).
I certainly feel that there are problems with the way christianity has defined the trinity, yet I see a triune expression of HaShem's holiness. I might consider attending a messianic congregation if one were within my vacinity... I used to drive 2 hours before Shabbat just to go to a MJ congregation.
I have been married for 4 years and graduated with a BS in computer programming and a minor in philosophy, which originally I intended to use as a springboard into a Modern Orthodox Yeshiva.... those plans are on hold.
Big Heart is all I see, you do emenate your name Yafet., although we must have a talk about that someday. I am on my way to the Sukkah.simchat_torah said:I always like saying, "Hey Arabs, you wanna pick on a Jew? Start here first."
hmmm... none seem to do. Everyone just seems to run in the other direction screaming.
*sigh* this gentle giant will never have any friends.
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fyi, the above is sarcasm to those without a sense of humor... but I am a big man - 289 pounds worth.
Big Heart is all I see, you do emenate your name Yafet., although we must have a talk about that someday
Oh, one question Yafet, Katan or belt loop? Also does the techelet go to synagogue and if so what has been the reaction?
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