What's wrong with change?

[nyj]

I agree with you NewToLife. I was not convinced by that article, rather I was throughly confused and had to find some Tylenol.

Yes, and NewToLife is Orthodox, and has a vested interest (no pun intended) in seeing the Catholic Church fall on it's face with this teaching.

 

[ChiRho]

Yes, and NewToLife is Orthodox, and has a vested interest (no pun intended) in seeing the Catholic Church fall on it's face with this teaching.

This is interesting...do you really think so?

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Yes, and NewToLife is Orthodox, and has a vested interest (no pun intended) in seeing the Catholic Church fall on it's face with this teaching.

I have faith in the Church and am not worried about it falling on its face, and even if it does, a certain God promised it would get back up.



That doesn't mean I won't try to understand something that is very confusing to me.

 

[nyj]

This is interesting...do you really think so?

If I didn't think it, I wouldn't say it.

 

[ChiRho]

If I didn't think it, I wouldn't say it.

Well, I was trying to see if it was intended to be sarcastic. Admittingly, I dont have much knowledge of the relationship between the East and Rome, but I assumed it was better than this.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Well, I was trying to see if it was intended to be sarcastic. Admittingly, I dont have much knowledge of the relationship between the East and Rome, but I assumed it was better than this.

Go take a look at some of the attitudes in their forum. Some of them clearly despise us.

 

[NewToLife]

Yes, and NewToLife is Orthodox, and has a vested interest (no pun intended) in seeing the Catholic Church fall on it's face with this teaching.

Even if this were true ( and it's not ) ad hominem never makes a very convincing arguement. Secondly I'd point out that its equally true that you as a Catholic also have a vested interest here, if my opinion is void on that basis then so is yours on the exact same basis.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Anyway, nyj, maybe you can help clear this up for me. If usury is still a sin, and a Catholic gets a loan with interest applied, isn't said Catholic participating in the sin? How about a Catholic working at a bank?

 

[nyj]

Anyway, nyj, maybe you can help clear this up for me. If usury is still a sin, and a Catholic gets a loan with interest applied, isn't said Catholic participating in the sin?

I already covered this. A Catholic who accepts a loan, is obligated to pay what they've agreed to. It would be a sin however for a Catholic to give a loan which charged interest with the intent to make a profit.

 

[Dream]

Go take a look at some of the attitudes in their forum. Some of them clearly despise us.

Yes, unfortunately. Our faiths are more closely aligned than any other faith, but yet we still struggle to get along.

Luckily, we have some wonderful Orthodox people who come here for fellowship and not trying to debunk the Church. They are a real blessing to have around.

 

[ChiRho]

Even if this were true ( and it's not ) ad hominem never makes a very convincing arguement.

What ever gave you the impression that there was any real arguing going on?

 

[Dream]

I already covered this. A Catholic who accepts a loan, is obligated to pay what they've agreed to. It would be a sin however for a Catholic to give a loan which charged interest with the intent to make a profit.

So does that mean that a Catholic can't work at a bank?

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Yes, unfortunately. Our faiths are more closely aligned than any other faith, but yet we still struggle to get along.

Luckily, we have some wonderful Orthodox people who come here for fellowship and not trying to debunk the Church. They are a real blessing to have around.

Yes they are.

 

[nyj]

So does that mean that a Catholic can't work at a bank?

Not any more than it means that a Catholic can't work at a Pharmaceutical Company that makes birth control.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

So does that mean that a Catholic can't work at a bank?

Exactly what I am wondering. Isn't that participating in a sin. Or is it no longer a sin if it is done by a group of people?

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Not any more than it means that a Catholic can't work at a Pharmaceutical Company that makes birth control.

Good point! Why isn't this a sin though? I mean, doesn't it encourage a sin, so to speak?

 

[nyj]

Good point! Why isn't this a sin though? I mean, doesn't it encourage a sin, so to speak?

Why isn't working for a bank a sin? Well, if you're a bank teller, you're just doing your job, you're not setting policy and you have no direct impact on setting policy. If you're the CEO and it's your policies which gouge the people who come to you for loans, that's a different story altogether.

I imagine that if we eliminated every job which had the potential for sin from the list of jobs, we'd be left with very little, if any jobs, from which to chose.

 

[Benedicta00]

They have authority because the Bible says Jesus gave it to them.

No, the authority does not come from the bible at all, the authority to teach is the magisterium and from that comes the bible. The magisterium comes from God, we know because the Church is visible; it is a divine visible institution that can be physically traced to Christ. This is how we know it but we believe it and accept it because we have faith.

And it isn’t circular, this was my point- the buck stops at the Church, it does not go in circles.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Thank you nyj. I believe the usury matter is settled for me now. I didn't believe that it was a sin once, but it is no longer a sin now, as it seems some were suggesting to me. It is good to know that the Church is being consistent on the objective nature of the sin.

 

[Benedicta00]

But if we cant understand Scripture (only the Magisterium can), then how do we know this?

We can understand the scriptures just fine, in fact the scriptures come alive when we have the FULL teachings of Christ. Only the Catholic Church holds the full and complete deposit of faith, this is the only reason why Catholics do understand the scriptures so well. We don’t leave it to our poor fallen limited understanding, but we are given the fullness from the Church who is lead in truth by the Holy Spirit. Not the other way around.