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The healthcare system isn't responsible for your health...you are. When you fail to care for your health it patches you up, nothing more.
I know your question wasn't directed toward me but I wanted to say that I do believe in genetically influenced behavior. I have studied it on a personal level for many years and I have also been in professional care for it as well. I'm not going to go into further detail about my personal experiences with it in this thread but I do believe in genetically influenced behavior. I know it is a reality.
The irony is, that attitude to health care undermines your own economy, meaning everyone pays in the end. Having healthier, more productive citizens pays off for everyone.
Including when you contract a disease or get a cancer diagnosis? How are people "responsible" for those?
Who is responsible if not the people themselves? I guess if you can pass the responsibility off to someone else you can demand that someone else pay for your treatment. And if you get away with it you now have a license to abuse your health from then on. And if enough people do this the healthcare system will collapse, and you will need socialized medicine, which is where we're heading it seems.
Sometimes people just get sick. That how health works. Not very one who gets cancer smokes or abuses alcohol.
As for the link between healthcare and health, if "paying your own way" encouraged people to take better care of their health, America would be the healthiest country in the world. Yet the opposite is true, countries with socialised healthcare in most cases have healthier populations.
The part where we acknowledge 1.) that educational attainment correlates highly to the educational attainment of our parents (because they're the ones who teach us how important education is) and 2.) that we deliberately prevented generations of blacks from getting an education.
The part where we pushed black communities into poverty and then over-policed and over-incarcerated them.
"Smart" is in the eye of the beholder. For example, I think everyone is a genius; many people on these forums here would disagree.
That should stand alone, but would it matter if I said I was a mathematician, and I though everyone was a genius? Why should it matter
The fundamentals for success in regards to the poor and minorities are full of stuff and things; very few of those entities have ever experienced what it means to be poor and a minority. Otherwise, what they propose wouldn't be as laughable as it is.
And now that generations haven't been prevented from getting an education...who exactly are you blaming for attitudes towards education?
You might be inclined to think that means it must be because of racism....but the same studies also looked at black children adopted by white parents....and found they perform as well as their white peers.
That really only leaves black culture as a reasonable explanation.
I still blame the white establishment.
We are only barely at the point of being able to pluralize the "generations" who haven't been legally prevented from getting an education (not accounting for the institutional barriers that existed after the legal ones fell). Appreciation for education is learned from the people around you, especially the people in your life who are older than you. If your parents were prevented from getting an education, you're less likely to get one yourself. This is a problem that will take many generations to fix - maybe even a century or more.
Surely any effects of racism on the children would be likely to affect 'all black' families more than in cases where the child has been adopted into a white family.
This is a problem that the black community has to fix.
How is that going to change black cultural attitudes towards education?
Let's say that it's true that a parent who doesn't value education will have a child with the same attitude....
Even if you want to blame this on whites (and I think that's a ridiculous assertion, you can only present people with opportunities...it's their own fault if they choose not to make the most of them)....it's still a problem that has to be fixed in the black community. Whites can't read books to all the little black children, they can't speak proper grammar with a large vocabulary to all the little black babies.
This is a problem that the black community has to fix.
I didn't say it would. I wasn't prescribing a solution. The discussion was about the initial cause. OWG initially stated that the cause of underachievement in the black community was a result of holding them to lower standards. I responded by pointing out that that's an odd way to describe a deliberate policy of under-educating them.
Why not?
Going back to the South of the early 60s, one thing "separate but equal" had done was provide that separation that to the extent possible, black southerners had built upon. That's what you saw in the movie "Hidden Figures."
I, as a young child, had around me a family of college graduates, a school of black teachers and administrators, small business owners, a community of HBCU educated black professionals--who were forced to to be a part of my childhood by segregation. All the authority figures in my life up to middle school were black.
But our parents believed we would be the generation of blacks that would get our piece of the pie, and they were preparing us to take that bite.
That was good for me and other black Boomer children, but not good for our parents and ultimately it would not be good for us, either.
The problem with "separate but equal" is that the white power structure only allowed "separate" as long as it was "unequal."
Whenever blacks built themselves up to equality, whites moved to press them back down again, steal it or destroy it. It served as an incubator, but eventually the baby must leave the incubator.
Racism in the north, however, had prevented even that much. Those children weren't surrounded by HBCU graduates. They didn't have the black small business owners, the doctors and pharmacists.
For better or for worse, Malcolm X was correct about the need for the urban black communities to have a period of separation and radical self-correction.
I didn't say it would. I wasn't prescribing a solution. The discussion was about the initial cause.
OWG initially stated that the cause of underachievement in the black community was a result of holding them to lower standards. I responded by pointing out that that's an odd way to describe a deliberate policy of under-educating them.
I don't pretend to know what the fix is, but I fail to see how its ridiculous to assert that the current segregation
and levels underachievement by blacks are a result of a history of policies enacted by whites. You can't undo centuries of wrongs inside of a couple decades.
I agree. And if people took better care of themselves there would be enough healthcare to go around for everyone, at reasonable prices.
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