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CasualLurker

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:( Why are the men in this forum so aggressive and nasty?

I've been lurking here for several weeks and looking over some of the old threads, deciding whether or not to join. And all I see is fighting and struggling to get the last word.

It doesn't seem like anyone can ever admit they are wrong, even if it means they have to trounce all over other people. It makes me sick to see "Christians" behaving this way.

The women seem nice enough, but the men? Sheesh, do you all feel impotent in your real lives so you come here to push people around?

It seems to me that a lot of nice people have been chased away to make room for all the testosterone and antlers, like wild animals fighting for territory.

Menno seems nice enough and this isn't meant for him.

But the rest of the guys? You need to ask yourself what's missing in your lives that you have to behave this way. :(

I don't expect this thread to last long before it is reported and closed, but at least I had a chance to tell you that you need to act more like Christ with each other and especially the women.

Makes me think that Anabaptist men are neandrathals who still live in the day when women were meant to be pushed around by men.

Won't find me at an Anabaptist church if this is what the men are like.:sick:
 

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I would like to address this statement. If you read through the threads on this forum, you will find that the men are very direct. Issues are discussed with information provided back and forth. Most of the time these discussions, or debates are handled in a very unemotional style. This may seem like unloving if someone gets offended when another disagrees with them. I think you will find that we as men can disagree with one another without taking offense.

As far as how men treat women in Anabaptist circles, you will find a variety of attitudes. You will find those like myself who hold to a more traditional attitude about gender roles in the home and church. My wife was the first to defend this approach when she was alive. Nothing annoyed her more than someone trying to protect her from her overbearing husband. I have not met many ladies in the conservative circles who feel like they are abused or mistreated.

On the other end of the Anabaptist circles you will find feminism is full swing. You may even find a church or two being led by a female Pastor.
 
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I think you will find that many of the men in this section are so convinced of their "rightness" that they look sound nasty and aggressive without any conscious intent to be that way. Perhaps it can be chalked up to the difference between the way men and women communicate. Perhaps it is because they have never been held accountable by the women in their lives to speak gently. Some guys just like to stir up trouble, and online forums make it difficult to tell the intent behind the words. For instance, is danfrey trying to be inflammatory when he lumps feminism and women pastors together in his closing statement? Or is he just ignorant of the differences between feminism and a woman following God's call on her life? I don't know him well enough to decide, although I have an idea of his response, based on his previous posts. He calls this "unemotional debate". Many women may feel he is making inflammatory remarks. Isn't it funny how we can react so differently to the same thing.

All this to say, not all Anabaptist men are like this, especially if you are able to talk to them in person.
 
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Danfrey

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I think you will find that many of the men in this section are so convinced of their "rightness" that they look sound nasty and aggressive without any conscious intent to be that way.

I believe you will find that many people, both men and women who post on this board are convinced that scripture means what it says. Many have accused Paul of being an oppressor of women because of his teachings on a woman's role in the church, dress standards for ladies, etc. These items have nothing to do with my "rightness" and everything to do with my belief that scripture was inspired by God. I do address things in a very blunt manner because I have no use for the watering down of scripture that comes from todays concept of tolerance. If you read the writings of Jesus, the Apostles, the early church and the early Anabaptists, you will find very blunt words when they were addressing false teachings.

Perhaps it can be chalked up to the difference between the way men and women communicate. Perhaps it is because they have never been held accountable by the women in their lives to speak gently.

I loved my wife dearly, but there were times when speaking gently was not the appropriate way to communicate. The same goes for my children, there are times to speak gently and there are times to be blunt.


Some guys just like to stir up trouble, and online forums make it difficult to tell the intent behind the words.

You have me there. I do enjoy a good theological debate based on scripture and facts rather than emotional response. I like have my moments when I have to step away from the computer because I feel myself getting a little to worked up and I know that this comes across on some of my posts. Unfortunately, there are some who consider it unloving to disagree with somebody. Many people who post online have a need to be affirmed in what they believe. I have no use for affirming something that is false.

For instance, is danfrey trying to be inflammatory when he lumps feminism and women pastors together in his closing statement? Or is he just ignorant of the differences between feminism and a woman following God's call on her life? I don't know him well enough to decide, although I have an idea of his response, based on his previous posts. He calls this "unemotional debate". Many women may feel he is making inflammatory remarks. Isn't it funny how we can react so differently to the same thing.

I was addressing what I perceived was the intent of the post as well as the issue that has come up time and time again in these forums. Anabaptist men have been accused of being oppressive by many who are outside the conservative Anabaptist circles. Many people feel that we need to adjust scriptural teachings to fit into our 21st century mindset. I don't see a need to manipulate scripture to fit my perception of equality.

All this to say, not all Anabaptist men are like this, especially if you are able to talk to them in person.

This statement is very true. You will find many Anabaptist men who are willing to set aside scriptural teachings for the sake of harmony. Let me add that along with this, if you had the opportunity to sit down in gathering of conservative Anabaptists you would find men who love their wife's, daughter's, and sisters very deeply. You will find families that are strong and divorce is all but unheard of. These strong communities are not the result of oppression. They are the result of following God and loving their neighbors as themselves.

As a final note, let me add that you will find the exception to the rule. There are men who have a distorted view of what it means to be a brother, a father and a husband, but I believe it is the exception not rather the common.
 
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