Whats the purpose???

[boughtwithaprice]

Its a bias it seems. People should read the satanic bible before saying untrue things about it.

I have read it. Still say that there is NO Satanism allowed at Christian Forums.
There is nothing of value in the Satanic bible that is worth sharing with the CF community, next public post about satanism gets a warning.

 

[light-bringer]

fair enough...

 

[gaijin178]

This is all just sad to me....this is a place for non-christian people to post with christian people to learn from each other. I don't try to change anyone who posts here, just make them understand me a little better. I won't mention the religious tradition that will get me a warning but it's sad that a particular non-christian belief is being singled out as something that is non-christian in a non-christian section of this site. It doesn't matter if I believe that it is valid or not...that's my own opinion and I don't need to share it.

The only way that this would be a happier place for a majority of the site members and the moderators would be if we we non-christians weren't here. I don't feel welcome...even if I have learned a lot...but I stay to share....a boycot of non-christian members might make this site not very interesting....hmmmm....

 

[ravenwolf]

I don't think someone who admits to having a big mouth
http://www.christianforums.com/show...83&postcount=79
would have the guts to call other contributions as "bashing"
there are those who want to learn about other people's faiths, and I can see that others faiths are free to post whatever they want as well including their "bashing" of the Christian faith
so , live with it

umm, what does me having a big mouth(saying my opinion on something) have to do with bashing??? I didnt bash your faith, maybe if you read my post carefully you would understand that I was making a point using the Christian faith as an example with your argument that Islam is not a violent religion. And I am one of those here who want to learn about other religions, but im sorry that my opinion of Islam not being violent bothers you so badly.
Blessings
~ravenwolf

 

[RJ1]

The only way that this would be a happier place for a majority of the site members and the moderators would be if we we non-christians weren't here.

Actually many members are glad you're here. I for one learn a lot reading in here and I really enjoy it. Most of the people in this section are very kind, patient and go out of their way to answer questions.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

This is all just sad to me....this is a place for non-christian people to post with christian people to learn from each other. I don't try to change anyone who posts here, just make them understand me a little better. I won't mention the religious tradition that will get me a warning but it's sad that a particular non-christian belief is being singled out as something that is non-christian in a non-christian section of this site. It doesn't matter if I believe that it is valid or not...that's my own opinion and I don't need to share it.

The only way that this would be a happier place for a majority of the site members and the moderators would be if we we non-christians weren't here. I don't feel welcome...even if I have learned a lot...but I stay to share....a boycot of non-christian members might make this site not very interesting....hmmmm....

What is so hard to understand that Satanism is not Non-Christian, it is unchristian. Satan is the antithesis of Christ; there is no good in him. Those that follow him are deceived into thinking that they are doing something good. Satan makes himself look wise and powerful, but he is deceptive, nothing more than a thief that comes to kill, to rob, and to destroy. We moderators would be lax in our duties if we allowed the name of Satan to be promoted and defended here.
As has been pointed out, there are other religions that teach a reality apart from God, and elevate the self above any deity. You can debate those religions, but not promote them. You can talk about varying philosophies without mentioning the name of Satan. Is that so hard?
I just can't see any reason to have the name of Satan defended, debated or promoted on a christian web site. It goes against eveything that we stand for.

Anyone that wants to boycott this site because of this ruling, is free to do so. CF will go on without you.

 

[gaijin178]

What is so hard to understand that Satanism is not Non-Christian, it is unchristian. Satan is the antithesis of Christ; there is no good in him. Those that follow him are deceived into thinking that they are doing something good. Satan makes himself look wise and powerful, but he is deceptive, nothing more than a thief that comes to kill, to rob, and to destroy. We moderators would be lax in our duties if we allowed the name of Satan to be promoted and defended here.
As has been pointed out, there are other religions that teach a reality apart from God, and elevate the self above any deity. You can debate those religions, but not promote them. You can talk about varying philosophies without mentioning the name of Satan. Is that so hard?
I just can't see any reason to have the name of Satan defended, debated or promoted on a christian web site. It goes against eveything that we stand for.

Anyone that wants to boycott this site because of this ruling, is free to do so. CF will go on without you.

but according to chrisianity, anything that isn't christian is of satan...so by allowing us to have this section is doing nothing different than to allow people to post about satanism. If you read any of the posts about it....they use the name but it has nothing to do with Christianity or being the antithesis of christianity as anything not of chrisianity is the antithesis.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

but according to chrisianity, anything that isn't christian is of satan...so by allowing us to have this section is doing nothing different than to allow people to post about satanism. If you read any of the posts about it....they use the name but it has nothing to do with Christianity or being the antithesis of christianity as anything not of chrisianity is the antithesis.

That is the opinion of some christians, but not necessarily all of chrisitianity. That is where the debate comes in. People give Satan too much credit, he is really not that powerful, but he is evil.
Not everything that is not christian is evil, as this scripture states:

Romans 2:11-29
For there is no partiality with God.
For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law;
for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.
For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,
in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,
on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.
But if you bear the name "Jew" and rely upon the Law and boast in God,
and know His will and approve the things that are essential, being instructed out of the Law,
and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness,
a corrector of the foolish, a teacher of the immature, having in the Law the embodiment of knowledge and of the truth,
you, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that one shall not steal, do you steal?
You who say that one should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?
You who boast in the Law, through your breaking the Law, do you dishonor God?
For "THE NAME OF GOD IS BLASPHEMED AMONG THE GENTILES BECAUSE OF YOU," just as it is written.
For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a transgressor of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.
So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision?
And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law?
For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh.
But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

But everything that is of Satan is evil, or good only with an alterior motive of evil. There lies the difference.

 

[Mi Zai]

What is so hard to understand that Satanism is not Non-Christian, it is unchristian. Satan is the antithesis of Christ; there is no good in him. Those that follow him are deceived into thinking that they are doing something good. Satan makes himself look wise and powerful, but he is deceptive, nothing more than a thief that comes to kill, to rob, and to destroy. We moderators would be lax in our duties if we allowed the name of Satan to be promoted and defended here.
As has been pointed out, there are other religions that teach a reality apart from God, and elevate the self above any deity. You can debate those religions, but not promote them. You can talk about varying philosophies without mentioning the name of Satan. Is that so hard?
I just can't see any reason to have the name of Satan defended, debated or promoted on a christian web site. It goes against eveything that we stand for.

Anyone that wants to boycott this site because of this ruling, is free to do so. CF will go on without you.

But Satanism has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Satan character featured in the Christian Bible... and aren't moral standards a subjective thing anyway? What's really "good" and what's really "evil"?

 

[light-bringer]

Dr. LaVey has answered this question many times in his writings and in interviews but, apparently, it’s a tough concept for some people. It is usually accompanied by, “You know, everything you say makes a lot of sense. But that name, ‘Satan’, is a real turn-off for people. Why don’t you just call it ‘Humanism’ or something—you’d get a lot more followers.” Of course, the first point is, we don’t need a lot of followers; we need more leaders in society in general and Satanism is a philosophy of leaders. That’s the glib answer. The more complete answer is that Satanists find more strength in images of defiance, fortitude against all odds and self-determination than we do in the image of the guy hanging on the Cross. We are sickened by the complacency, hypocrisy, prejudice, and self-righteousness that most conventional religions (including “Wicca” and “paganism” as they are currently defined) encourage in people. When my back is up against the wall, I’m not strengthened by Jesus’ supposed martyrdom, or by the idea of praying and being saved, or of mooning over some glorious afterlife (so I don’t have to take responsibility for this one). Satanists’ scorn for such drivel is in our hard-wiring, and we could no more “give our lives over to Christ” than we could cut off one of our own limbs. The word “Satan” is the first hurdle to understanding what we’re trying to get across. Question, challenge all things, especially what you’ve been taught about supposed enemies. Sort out the truth from convenient myths. Words are magical and potent—use them effectively. People have tried to dismiss Satanism, saying, “Well, Satan is only a construction of the Christian church so Satanism is only an inversion of Christianity. It’s still dependent on Christianity; Satanists are just Christians who want to play bad boy.” That’s missing the broader point. Christians didn’t invent Satan. There is always a Satan, an adversary, in every culture. There is always the figure who represents the Dark Side, the unexplored realms, the prideful beast who defies the norm. God, on the other hand, generally represents conventionality, predictability, the safety of normality, the comfort of the larger group and the rewards of staying within the bounds of propriety. That interaction is necessary to life and progress—not “good” versus “evil,” but that constant interchange between a need for conventionality and a need for risk-taking by those few who are compelled to explore the murky regions. The blasphemers and heretics take chances, clearing the path for others to follow. Christianity didn’t invent the idea of that interplay any more than they invented the idea of Lucifer; they just happen to represent the status quo at this time. So, in a Judeo-Christian society, we call ourselves Satanists.

That should clear it up.
I don't think I am breaking any rule in the TOS by quoting this. If so let me know.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

But Satanism has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Satan character featured in the Christian Bible... and aren't moral standards a subjective thing anyway? What's really "good" and what's really "evil"?

Then why does it have to take the name of Satan, if it has nothing to do with Satan? It just makes no sense, and appears to be there only to beguile.

Christ gave us the reference point for moral standards, "love your neighbor as you love yourself" and "DO unto others as you would have THEM DO unto you."

Feel free to challenge any christian on this. It may take a lot of dialogue to determine if they wish to be truthful or not, but to be considered christian, they are to adhere to the standard.

Evil always has an alterior motive. It never desires evil for its own sake. People that steal do not like to be robbed. People that kill do not want to be killed. People that enslave do not want to be raped. Evil is good centered on self, that disregards the good of other people.

Good is described as love. It is that which is good centered on others and can be desired for its own sake. Those that pay like to be paid. Those that comfort like to be comforted. Those that liberate like to be liberated. If all of our actons were only good then good would eventually come to us. If all of our actions were evil, then evil will eventually overcome us.

 

[light-bringer]

See my last post...I quoted some intereseting text. It describes why its called that.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

That should clear it up.
I don't think I am breaking any rule in the TOS by quoting this. If so let me know.

Since it is for informational purposes only, and makes the point rather conveniently as to why it should not be promoted on CF, I'll allow it.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

See my last post...I quoted some intereseting text. It describes why its called that.

The quote basically admits that it is there only to oppose and subvert, it does not show me why I should accept it on a Christian web site.

 

[light-bringer]

It also says its not about the Biblical character named Satan.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

It also says its not about the Biblical character named Satan.

so, it still has his characteristics

 

[Mi Zai]

so, it still has his characteristics

Edit: I believe my response was somewhat harsh, so I have erased it. Please pardon me.

With compassion.

Mi Zai

 

[TrueQ]

The Satanist Bible and, indeed, Satanism in general is pretty antiChristian. Black masses, the Book of Fire, and Hell, even the name are adopted mainly to irritate, confuse, and provoke Christians. But hey, just because you don't believe in something is no reason to label it as 'irrelevant' and erase all mention of it from a forum. Unless you are here to be missionary, which does seem to be the case, especially in this subforum.

In response to something a few pages back, no denying I'm pretty fanatic, and people are free to ignore anything I say, they mostly do, in fact. But that's their loss, its my (prideful) opinion that I say things worth listening to despite my fanaticism.

 

[light-bringer]

It seems like a lost cause. To give insight into other religions but reject one because it is supposedly about the biblical satan is sickening. By talking about it [satanism], there is no grounds to delete and/or edit a topic. If you look in the rules, there is NONE that states Satanism can't be discussed, only something "satanic" which is not clearly defined . Other religions cannot be promoted though, which is different from discussion Once again, Satanism is not Satanic in the biblical sense. Goto religioustolerance.com But who cares about my views eh? Afterall I am just another heretic.

 

[Mi Zai]

It seems like a lost cause. To give insight into other religions but reject one because it is supposedly about the biblical satan is sickening. By talking about it [satanism], there is no grounds to delete and/or edit a topic. If you look in the rules, there is NONE that states Satanism can't be discussed, only something "satanic" which is not clearly defined . Other religions cannot be promoted though, which is different from discussion Once again, Satanism is not Satanic in the biblical sense. Goto religioustolerance.com But who cares about my views eh? Afterall I am just another heretic.

This is essentially what my previous post stated, but in a much kinder way.