What's the meaning of "the daily sacrifice" in Daniel's prophecies?

[zeke37]

Daily sacrifice stopped a long, long time ago.

the daily sacrifice spoken of in Dan are continual
so they have not YET stopped.

Well, right out the gate you appear to have missed the fact that daily sacrifice hasn't happened in a couple of thousand years. That alone demonstrates a fairly dramatic separation from truth of the matter.

the daily sacrifice that Dan spoke about, was kept by Dan
Dan did not sacrifice animals his entire life in captivity.

the Daily sacrifice was kept by Dan,
and has been kept by Christians since Christ.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

Daniel said of the people he described in 7:24 as "the ten kings",

"they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate." (Dan.11:31)

Who are the people symbolized as "the ten kings"? And what is the meaning of "the daily sacrifice" that they take away?

for what it's worth (everyone ignores what I say); the ten kings were the Seleucid rulers, the sacrifice was the Jewish sacrifice ritual at the Temple; Antiochus did away with that, and so did Jesus; Jesus by replacing the ritual with the new covenant.. it's not a latter-day prophesy, it is over with a long time ago.

 

[fcorman]

the 10 kings...everyone has a different answer for that...well, almost everyone

but the daily sacrifice that Daniel spoke about,
is something that we can ALL figure out....if we just accept the proof given.

Dan KEPT the daily sacrifice that he spoke about.
and that was at a time when Judah was in captivity,
and was NOT sacrificing animals

what kind of "daily" ritual did Dan KEEP, from scripture?

PRAYER, not animal sacrifices

BINGO! The "daily sacrifice" was that of PRAYER. To be more precise, the daily school prayer.

Speaking of the ten kings (the European Americans), Daniel foretold in 11:31,

"They (the ten kings) shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice (the daily prayer), and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate."

 

[Jipsah]

the daily sacrifice spoken of in Dan are continual so they have not YET stopped.

That's an interesting interpretation, but one which I don't believe has diddly to do with the prophecy in question.

 

[Codger]

Josephus tells us when the daily sacrifice failed. It was during the siege of Jerusalem. Cestius and the 12th legion had fled Jerusalem after a failed attempt to put down the insurrection. Cestius fled the city on Cheshvan 5th 66AD. 1,290 days later the daily sacrifice failed - on Tammuz 17th 70AD. Just 45 days later the war ended - this totaled 1,335 days just like Daniel had prophesied.

"And now Titus gave orders to his soldiers that were with him to dig up the foundations of the tower of Antonia, and make him a ready passage for his army to come up; while he himself had Josephus brought to him, (for he had been informed that on that very day, which was the seventeenth day of Panemus, [Tamuz,] the sacrifice called "the Daily Sacrifice" had failed, and had not been offered to God, for want of men to offer it, and that the people were grievously troubled at it,) and commanded him to say the same things to John that he had said before, that if he had any malicious inclination for fighting, he might come out with as many of his men as he pleased, in order to fight, without the danger of destroying either his city or temple; but that he desired he would not defile the temple, nor thereby offend against God." (Josephus, Wars of the Jews, VI:93).

 

[endtimewarrior]

Daily sacrifice stopped a long, long time ago.

I tend to agree with Jipsah on this one.

 

[Manasseh_]

the 10 kings...everyone has a different answer for that...well, almost everyone

but the daily sacrifice that Daniel spoke about,
is something that we can ALL figure out....if we just accept the proof given.

Dan KEPT the daily sacrifice that he spoke about.
and that was at a time when Judah was in captivity,
and was NOT sacrificing animals

what kind of "daily" ritual did Dan KEEP, from scripture?

PRAYER, not animal sacrifices

that's not the examples Daniel was given in chapter 8 and 11, what you are attempting to do is A. redefine the daily sacrifice and B. spiritualize it

first Daniel was given a prophecy of the daily sacrifice being stopped in the future and history bears out this prophecy being fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes who did desecrate the altar , polluting it and causing the daily sacrifice to be stopped.........he did this by placing a statue of Jupiter Olympus (Zeus), false gods, idols.............a few historians also claim he also had pig's blood spread over the altar causing more desolation at the altar, Antiochus Epiphanes did not stop anyone from giving daily prayers to God even after desecrating the altar

the daily sacrifice was for the atonement of sins and why the NT makes clear that Christ's sacrifice was the only kind of blood sacrifice that could put a stop to the daily sacrifice and truly atone for sins (Heb_7:27), so the daily sacrifice you are attempting to spiritualize could not have been kept by Daniel in a spiritual way either obviously because Christ wasn't sacrificed yet

even after the daily sacrifices by the priests were stopped this didn't stop anyone from still praying to God and Christ's sacrifice didn't stop or start anyone's personal prayers, prophets and servants of God always prayed to God

 

[Interplanner]

has the OP got their answer?

 

[zeke37]

that's not the examples Daniel was given in chapter 8 and 11,

the example is what Daniel himself did while in captivity,
what he got in trouble for, (thrown to the lions)
and what his 3 friends got in trouble for (fiery furnace)
and what continual daily sacrifice (daily oblations) meant to him while in captivity (prayer)

what you are attempting to do is A. redefine the daily sacrifice and B. spiritualize it

neither

I believe the prophesy has a future fulfilment

the sacrifice that Daniel kept would remain "continual"
and would not be un-continual until the events of the latter portion of chapter 11 are fulfilled.

again, I believe that to be future.
so I am neither redefining the continual daily sacrifice
nor spiritualizing it into something that it was not.

it IS prayer, as the NT proves as well.

first Daniel was given a prophecy of the daily sacrifice being stopped in the future and history bears out this prophecy being fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes who did desecrate the altar , polluting it and causing the daily sacrifice to be stopped.........he did this by placing a statue of Jupiter Olympus (Zeus), false gods, idols.............a few historians also claim he also had pig's blood spread over the altar causing more desolation at the altar, Antiochus Epiphanes did not stop anyone from giving daily prayers to God even after desecrating the altar

a. I am aware of the history
it's the reason behind Hanukah

b. the daily oblation that Daniel spoke of was kept by Daniel himself while in captivity....
so it is NOT referencing animal sacrifice.
Israel (and Judah) was NOT sacrificing animals in captivity

c. I realize that Antrochus Epiphanes did not stop anyone from praying to God,
hence he is not the fulfilment of the prophesy
therefore, by the same logic, Titus did not accomplish that either

BUT when the false Christ comes before the true Christ,
he will lie/deceive/seduce /fool many Christians,
who will immediately think he is Jesus (God) and worship him,
thus taking away their prayers to the true God.

that is why Paul taught multiple times about us being the Temple of God
"us who believe in Christ", not some building hued by men out of rock

so imo that is the proper understanding of both Dan's prophesy(s) and 2Thes2's prophesys

the daily sacrifice was for the atonement of sins and why the NT makes clear that Christ's sacrifice was the only kind of blood sacrifice that could put a stop to the daily sacrifice and truly atone for sins (Heb_7:27), so the daily sacrifice you are attempting to spiritualize could not have been kept by Daniel in a spiritual way either obviously because Christ wasn't sacrificed yet

well, u have just said that Antiochus E was the reason for it, when he desecrated the site
and now u say it is Christ who did it by His blood?

in fact, there has been more than one desecration of the temple...
the first temple, the 2nd (Hanukah with the Maccabees), and 70 ad

even after the daily sacrifices by the priests were stopped this didn't stop anyone from still praying to God and Christ's sacrifice didn't stop or start anyone's personal prayers, prophets and servants of God always prayed to God

yep. that's exactly why animal sacrifices
are not the continual daily oblation that Daniel said
would be stopped at some time in the future

 

[zeke37]

has the OP got their answer?

part of it....
the daily sacrifice (continual oblation) part...

as for the 10 kings, sky's the limit on speculation

 

[Interplanner]

Dan 9's last paragraph does have an odd double meaning: that both Christ and the counter have a way of stopping sacrifice. The character in the DofJ stopped them because they were out of supplies and starving. Christ and AC are a mirror image in that paragraph on a number of points.

 

[Manasseh_]

again, I believe that to be future.
so I am neither redefining the continual daily sacrifice
nor spiritualizing it into something that it was not.

it IS prayer, as the NT proves as well.

you are................the daily sacrifice was a ritual performed by the priests as per Moses' instruction given him by God , you are attempting to change it into prayer only without the ritual of an actual sacrifice being performed...........so you are attempting to redefine this actual ritual as prayer only which is a spiritual thing between a person and God

the examples given in Daniel's prophecy are not examples of prayers offered to God then stopped, they are the examples of this ritual being stopped by wicked men and the history which you say you already know bears out this fact of Antiochus Epiphanes who was the one who stopped it

jews are still under the belief that this ritual must be kept in order to atone for their sins, they do not follow NT teachings obviously because they reject that Christ is the true Messiah and they want this ritual to begin again ........and as prophecy foretells it will be started again and it will be stopped, if something is stopped it has to be started first

I don't know zeke, it seems you want to reject this fact that not all people live according to Christ's teaching and do as they see fit

since when has God ever forced anyone to live according to truth and not allow men their own choice and free will even if they are wrong ?

 

[Interplanner]

or that it was stopped during the DofJ, which would also be future to Daniel, and was the topic of the last week of the 490 years

 

[zeke37]

you are................the daily sacrifice was a ritual performed by the priests as per Moses' instruction given him by God , you are attempting to change it into prayer only without the ritual of an actual sacrifice being performed...........so you are attempting to redefine this actual ritual as prayer only which is a spiritual thing between a person and God

simply put, u do not know what u are talking about

the examples given in Daniel's prophecy are not examples of prayers offered to God then stopped, they are the examples of this ritual being stopped by wicked men and the history which you say you already know bears out this fact of Antiochus Epiphanes who was the one who stopped it

not IF it is prayer

jews are still under the belief that this ritual must be kept in order to atone for their sins,

good for them

they do not follow NT teachings obviously because they reject that Christ is the true Messiah and they want this ritual to begin again ........

yep, even tho the NT teaches that "we" are the temple of God

and as prophecy foretells it will be started again and it will be stopped, if something is stopped it has to be started first

nothing in prophesy says it ill stop and restart and then stop
on the contrary, it is continual until it is stopped.

I don't know zeke, it seems you want to reject this fact that not all people live according to Christ's teaching and do as they see fit

no, i know that obv. u and I just don't see eye to eye on everything

since when has God ever forced anyone to live according to truth and not allow men their own choice and free will even if they are wrong ?

since the elect...ask Jonah

 

[mog144]

Daniel said of the people he described in 7:24 as "the ten kings",

"they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate." (Dan.11:31)

Who are the people symbolized as "the ten kings"? And what is the meaning of "the daily sacrifice" that they take away?

The sacrifices began when the world fell away from God and the communication from Heaven was interrupted by transgression. The world then was under the rule and authority of satan who is the prince of the world. This violation caused the Curtain in the Most Holy Place to rip again, causing another crucifixion of Christ and His atonement. The world was then silent.

The silence in heaven began because God could not communicate with man. This was caused by a Time-shift paradigm. This Time-shift is complex and I will be posting a new thread of what I have recently learned during the time that I was banned.

This daily sacrifice is mocked and paralleled in a reversed hidden theme where the people of the future walk into a large Iron door and walk underground to their death where they sacrifice to the underground monsters. This is the scene in the movie, 'The Time Machine.'

This is depicting this Biblical phenomenon and it's whole purpose is to confuse the world about this. This is why it's such a popular subject among scholars. Where ever there are questions is where satan has caused confusion.

The world has been sacrificing themselves every time that one walks into a movie theater (not limited to) where their minds are bomb shelled with twisted truths that are fantasy and yet the human mind processes these hidden themes as truth. The human mind is a fragile vessel that requires fine calibration every moment of our life, starting with a waking each day. Do this in Remembrance of Him but the world has ran away from home like little kids.

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[berachah]

Daniel said of the people he described in 7:24 as "the ten kings",

"they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate." (Dan.11:31)

Who are the people symbolized as "the ten kings"? And what is the meaning of "the daily sacrifice" that they take away?

We are currently living in the time of the 3rd beast. The 4th beast is already established (the UN) and will gain power in the near future. The UN has already planned to divide the world into 10 zones. Out of one of these areas an authority will arise that will gain authority over 2 others and begin to war against the Christians. (not the Jews)

The UN will form a single world religion that will allow born again Bible believing Christians some right to exercise their faith. Ultimately the authority of the day will outlaw Christ as the redeemer and the way into the presence of God, making it illegal to use the name of Jesus Christ in prayer or something similiar. Whatever it is, they effectively cause Christians to come out from under the covering of Christ. This power will then will fight and prevail against the Body of Christ.

The 4th beast is different in that it is part iron, (as opposed to clay - man) indicating a demonic authority (satan and his demons) is made manifest in some way.
Personally I believe demons will manifest in the natural realm much like they did in the days of Noah (which led to the first destruction of the earth by water) In this regard the world is being prepared by the media through the ongoing focus on aliens and foreign (more advanced) beings. These of course are demons.

 

[Interplanner]

when a theme is interp'd by the NT , stay within that meaning and go from there.

 

[Jipsah]

The UN has already planned to divide the world into 10 zones.

Which I'm sure will be supremely important - to the UN. No one else will care one way or another.

Out of one of these areas an authority will arise that will gain authority over 2 others and begin to war against the Christians. (not the Jews)

How are they gonna procede with that? We talking about armies, or police oppression, or what? Saying that "an authority will arise" doesn't really give us any idea who this "authority" might be, and what's gonna give it the wherewithal to "war against Christians".

The UN will form a single world religion

So help me out here. The UN, which has little or no direct influence on anyone anywhere, is gonna "form a single world religion", and somehow get all the world's Christians and Muslims and Jews and Hindus and what all else to join it. How do you reckon they're gonna manage that?

Ultimately the authority of the day will outlaw Christ as the redeemer and the way into the presence of God, making it illegal to use the name of Jesus Christ in prayer or something similiar.

May as well outlaw breathing while they're at it, it would have about as much effect as "outlawing Christianity".

End Times science fiction.

 

[berachah]

Which I'm sure will be supremely important - to the UN. No one else will care one way or another.

How are they gonna procede with that? We talking about armies, or police oppression, or what? Saying that "an authority will arise" doesn't really give us any idea who this "authority" might be, and what's gonna give it the wherewithal to "war against Christians".

The prophecies are not pertaining to natural powers and authorities, but rather spiritual. How they manifest in this world is quite frankly irrelevant. Bu tthey will have power and authority and that generally means military/financial.

And perhaps you are unaware but the UN has military in dozens of countries already.. besides the fact that Obama has already ceded overall power to the UN.

So help me out here. The UN, which has little or no direct influence on anyone anywhere, is gonna "form a single world religion", and somehow get all the world's Christians and Muslims and Jews and Hindus and what all else to join it. How do you reckon they're gonna manage that?

You are way wrong on that one. The UN is already dictating many policies that pertain to the whole world. They may not THE authority at this moment, but they are the 4th beast and they will surely follow the 3rd beast. There are already infant bodies such as the world council of churches, the ecumenical movement, interfaith bodies that are rising up. Thye will gain momentum and they will unite the world into 1 faith.

All that its going to take is one event, such as a religion based world war which quite frankly is being created in the ME as we speak. The Arab spring (funded and planned by elements in the west) have overthrown secular ME state and replaced them with radical muslim states oposed to Israel. My opinion is this could already be the beginnings of a new world war. (If not through Syria, then through Iran which is surely the next Arab spring state) The call therafter (much like the call for the formation of the UN after WW11, will be for a single council on religions under the authority of the UN.)

May as well outlaw breathing while they're at it, it would have about as much effect as "outlawing Christianity".
End Times science fiction.

Thye won't outlaw breathing, but there is a good chance everyone will be taxed for emitting carbon dioxide.

Bible prophecy is clear on matters such as the end time persecution, end time babylon, etc.. you should give them a read.