What's The Matter?

[Skaloop]

Really, why don't you then give me the evidence that show this design we see in life forms is an illusion?

I will if you can first show me that there is design in life forms.

 

[justlookinla]

All known evidence from multiple lines of study and investigation going back billions of years.

Where's your evidence, based on the scientific method?

Which is still "Darwinian" evolution.

It's not the form of Darwinian evolution which makes claims about the creation of humanity (and all life) from an alleged single life form of long long ago.

 

[bhsmte]

I will if you can first show me that there is design in life forms.

Not the way it works around here.

Someone else makes an unfalsifiable claim and then you have to prove that claim wrong.

 

[Jan Volkes]

I want in your own words what you believe evolution is. Can you provide that?

The simple answer would be, It's the creationists nightmare.

 

[Skaloop]

Where's your evidence, based on the scientific method?

All of it. As I said, all evidence from multiple lines of study and investigation supports evolution. None of it contradicts it.

It's not the form of Darwinian evolution which makes claims about the creation of humanity (and all life) from an alleged single life form of long long ago.

There was no "creation" of humanity.

 

[Oncedeceived]

That is the claim, not the evidence.

No it is the evidence. The claim is that this design is an illusion.

If one wishes to dismiss this evidence they need to provide evidence that shows this design is an illusion.

 

[Loudmouth]

No it is the evidence. The claim is that this design is an illusion.

You are claiming that design is an illusion?

If one wishes to dismiss this evidence they need to provide evidence that shows this design is an illusion.

You would have to present evidence in order for us to dismiss it.

 

[bhsmte]

You are claiming that design is an illusion?


You would have to present evidence in order for us to dismiss it.

Yes, it seemed like we missed an important step in the process.

 

[Oncedeceived]

The simple answer would be, It's the creationists nightmare.

Right, I am not surprised.

 

[Oncedeceived]

You are claiming that design is an illusion?

No, You and others are making that claim.


You would have to present evidence in order for us to dismiss it.[/QUOTE]
The evidence is the design.

 

[bhsmte]

What design? Has anyone defined this design or formulated a test to determine when it is present, that is falsifiable?

 

[Loudmouth]

No, You and others are making that claim.

Where have I ever made that claim?

I have consistently said that your subjective opinions of what something looks like does not qualify as objective evidence.

The evidence is the design.

Design is the claim. Please present the evidence, the methodology used to collect the evidence, the units of measure for design, and the null hypothesis with the proper statistical tests. This is what you need for evidence, not simply your subjective opinion.

 

[Loudmouth]

What design? Has anyone defined this design or formulated a test to determine when it is present, that is falsifiable?

Nope. Apparently, evidence is whatever Oncedeceived is gullible enough to believe in.

 

[bhsmte]

Nope. Apparently, evidence is whatever Oncedeceived is gullible enough to believe in.

More like what someone NEEDS to believe in.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I will if you can first show me that there is design in life forms.

I will take that to mean that you only accept that evidence that you wish to accept and the fact that nearly all microbiologists and biologist admit to life forms appear to be designed for a purpose.

 

[Loudmouth]

I will take that to mean that you only accept that evidence that you wish to accept and the fact that nearly all microbiologists and biologist admit to life forms appear to be designed for a purpose.

They admit that there is a subjective appearance of design. Where is the OBJECTIVE evidence?

 

[Oncedeceived]

What design? Has anyone defined this design or formulated a test to determine when it is present, that is falsifiable?

bhsmte, if you can seriously observe the Bacterial Flagellum and the rotary systems as a whole and can deny that they appear designed in the same way as the human designed counterpart except much much more efficient and self error correcting, there is no amount of testing would satisfy your biased materialist point of view.

 

[Oncedeceived]

They admit that there is a subjective appearance of design. Where is the OBJECTIVE evidence?

Give me one quote that says the appearance is subjective.

 

[Loudmouth]

bhsmte, if you can seriously observe the Bacterial Flagellum and the rotary systems as a whole and can deny that they appear designed . . .

We are asking for evidence, not appearances.

 

[Loudmouth]

Give me one quote that says the appearance is subjective.

That's what appearance means. It means that one thing has the subjective appearance of another thing.