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What's the heart of Christianity?

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The heart and soul of Christianity is the love of God, expressed by Jesus, and given to us as we turn to Him in faith which brings us into His family. Love is our justice, that with which God justifies us or makes us the beings He created us to be. Love is the means by which God places his law in our minds and writes it on our hearts. When we have that kind of love, fulfilling the greatest commandments, we will have attained our purpose and perfection-probably not fully realizable until the next life-and totally impossible without grace. To love is to be under grace.
 
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Hmmm...Thanks for your thoughts. The things I laid out in my 3 main posts at the beginning of the thread describe a process through which I passed years ago now and stand at the other end of, writing about the experience and what God made evident to me about the many mistaken notions concerning the mechanics of walking with Him that I had been taught. Perhaps you didn't read all three posts.

I find myself these days settling more and more deeply into the truth that my "job," if you like, as a child of God is to receive, remain and reflect: Receive the work of God in me, remain in the truth of what He's done in me, and reflect that work in the character of my living. There is so much rest, and joy, and transformation that happens as I understand and live in the fact that the key to my life being filled with God is submission - moment-by-moment - to Him. You mentioned this yourself at the beginning of your post to me.

I find that, as I live in surrender to God throughout each day, He acts to change my desires, and my thinking, and my attitudes such that I want to do the things He has commanded me to do; and so I do them very naturally, without the strain and sense of burden and sacrifice that used to afflict the "holy life" I was trying to manufacture for God. How about you? Have you discovered rest, joy, strength and change in living in constant submission to your Heavenly Father?
 
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I think in your writing you have captured the important meaning of "may your will be done, not mine". May God bless you in your journey.

Then I've succeeded!

Thanks for your comment. God's blessing upon you in your journey with Him, too!
 
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Repentance is the fruit of salvation yes

Baptism too

They're the proof

Hmmm...didn't Jesus make repentance a prerequisite for salvation? By this I mean, didn't Jesus preach repentance as part of entering into God's kingdom?

Repentance, at its core, is a change of mind, of thinking, that leads to a change in direction in one's behaviour, values and beliefs. A sinner lost in darkness must hear the Gospel, which is the "power of God unto salvation for everyone who believes," and change their thinking about themselves, reality, eternity and God, conforming their thinking to the truth of the Gospel. And if/when they do, this change of thinking, of mind - repentance - is reflected in confession of sin, trust in Christ as Saviour and Lord, and a new life revolving around him (which will include baptism).

What do you think?

I wonder, too, about baptism being "proof" of a person's salvation. Lots of people go through the motions of baptism, some are baptized as babies, and then go on to live like the devil. The Bible offers other, less easy to fake, indicators of genuine salvation to us:

Love of the brethren. (1 John 3:14)
Witness of the Spirit. (Romans 8:16; 1 John 4:13)
Hunger for God's word. (Jeremiah 15:15; 1 Peter 2:2)
Desire for holiness. (Ephesians 5:1-12)
Divine discipline. (Hebrews 12:5-11)
Development of the Fruit of the Spirit. (Galatians 5:22-23)
Conviction of sin. (John 16:8)
Strength in the midst of trial and temptation. (Romans 8:13; Ephesians 3:16)

And so on. Do you see these "proofs" of salvation in your own life?
 
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It's good that you can see clearly enough that you are becoming distracted from God by the World to ration your exposure to the World.

A relationship is only as good as the investment you make in it, right? Spending more time with God is vital to knowing and enjoying Him more!

I listen to classical music everyday. I really enjoy Baroque stuff.
 
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Scripture is the only thing that can help the spirit grow.

I'm not sure what you mean by "the spirit." If you mean the Holy Spirit, I don't see anywhere in Scripture where we're told he "grows" within us. Do you?

Anyway, I totally agree that "feeding" on God's word is vital to a stable, healthy Christian life. Is it really, though, "the only thing that can help"? I know atheists who read the Bible quite a lot but they aren't helped spiritually at all by doing so...

The only way that it is passed on is through believer passing on the wisdom that is brought forth. Romans 10:17: So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Okay. So, how do synthesize Romans 10:17 with Romans 12:3?

God loved us, he sent his son Jesus Christ our Lord. Who made a choice to die for us, so thus we return the same love back to him, and towards others.

Does God want from us our ignorant, sin-fouled, selfish, human love? Or, maybe, what He wants from us is His own, perfect, holy agape love shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit... (Romans 5:5; Galatians 5:22) What do you think?

Forgiving, mercy, be angry but dont* curse death upon man, love, we are given self-control by the spirit which is not our selves.

Amen!

Nice post, used many scriptures which is very helpful, aiki.

Thanks! Glad to be of help. That was my goal.
 
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Problem is that you are not accepting what the apostle John says in that we can have an assurance of knowing the Lord if we find that we are keeping His commandments.

“And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.” (1 John 2:3).

You basically claim you can experience and know God and not worry about obeying Him (i.e. keeping His commandments). But 1 John 2:4 says,

“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” (1 John 2:4).

What truth is not in them?

Jesus.

For Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6).
 
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After having seen aiki post before, I am pretty sure in your zeal to be right, you missed that he is talking about keeping his commandments as well. He just didn't say those exact words and doesn't need to.
 
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The problem in why Belief Alone Christians may sometimes discover that their actions may be duplicitous is that there is no real incentive to obeying. They believe they can sin and still be saved. So obedience to God is merely optional if one is saved by a belief alone in Jesus. Following the Lord and doing what He says is merely optional. But Jesus said, “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?” (See: Luke 6:46).
 
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The heart of "Christianity" from Adam too now is to love God and our neighbor and have faith God will forgive us when we fail to do so.
 
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Bible Highlighter: What Isilwen said! Thanks, Isilwen!

I don't really see how Isilwen said anything substantial that refutes 1 John 2:3-4 or Luke 6:46. Can one be saved and not have Jesus as their Lord? Jesus said if you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15). Paul says if any man loves not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be anathema (accursed) (1 Corinthians 16:22).
 
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You basically claim you can experience and know God and not worry about obeying Him (i.e. keeping His commandments).

I wrote:

"Is righteousness the primary goal of the Christian life? No. It is merely the avenue, the means to, enjoying loving, rich fellowship with God.

Hebrews 12:14
14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:


In this verse, what is the purpose of living a holy, peaceful life? Is holiness an end in itself? NO! It is just the means by which the Christian believer may "see God."
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"It is this wonderful fellowship with God that is the end goal of our holy, Christ-centered living..."

"This is where Moralism always ends up. And this is because it is working for the wrong thing entirely, and usually from the wrong power source and motive. The purpose of holy living isn't simply to be holy but to create a life in which a holy God may be known, experienced and enjoyed."

"God takes full responsibility for the transformation of me into a person in whom Christ is clearly manifested. Only God, after all, can make me godly."

"It takes divine power to live out a godly life..."

And so on.
 
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As usual, you completely missed the point. Which is typical!
 
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How about you? Have you discovered rest, joy, strength and change in living in constant submission to your Heavenly Father?

I am getting there I think, and getting closer and closer day by day I feel...

Some of what I posted to you are just some of the things I am working on and learning right now, etc...

Thanks!

God Bless!
 
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Bible Highlighter: What Isilwen said! Thanks, Isilwen!

Paul says we have the mind of Christ (1 Corinthians 2:16).
Did Jesus ever have a mind that justified the idea that He could sin and be in God's favor? No.
Yet, that is what we see in Christinaity today and it is sad.
 
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As usual, you completely missed the point. Which is typical!

And what point would that be? Does your point line up with the truth of 1 John 2:3-4?
If so, I would like to hear your thoughts on how you interpret 1 John 2:3-4. But my guess is that such a thing is not going to happen.
 
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