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Yeah we didn't get too much either. Not over yet so you never know, our winter's last till about late march early april.

Can't wait for spring/summer.

-.- yuck... thanks for that reminder! XD
 
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Tuareg crosses are so unique, I don't know why more Christians don't look at interesting options like these as opposed to the stand t

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Tuareg crosses are so unique, I don't know why more Christians don't look at interesting options like these as opposed to the stand t

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What does Tuareg mean?
 
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Tuareg crosses are so unique, I don't know why more Christians don't look at interesting options like these as opposed to the stand t

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Jesus wasn't crucified on any of those.
 
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Jesus wasn't crucified on any of those.

He wasn't crucified on a a piece of jewellery anyway according to the Christian faith.

Anyway, early Christians used the symbol of the fish as their faith icon. The cross was later adopted.

Some scholars point towards the crufixion happening on a pole or the T shape (Crux Commissa).
 
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He wasn't crucified on a a piece of jewellery anyway according to the Christian faith.

Anyway, early Christians used the symbol of the fish as their faith icon. The cross was later adopted.

Some scholars point towards the crufixion happening on a pole or the T shape (Crux Commissa).
Whether it was a Capital T or a small t shape, I think the concept is grasped.

The cross is a symbol Christians use to identify themselves with Christ as well as to remind ourselves and other things. We wouldn't be identified as a Christian by anything in the picture you posted.

As well a Christian has a deep relationship with the cross and it's symbolism. It means our salvation, our redemption. It's a very personal image and there's nothing more interesting to us than the death that Jesus suffered in the cross. It's infinitely interesting in its own, and the more the image represents the cross the better of an image it becomes.

Not trying to come off strong, just trying to explain why Christians prefer a traditional cross.
 
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My boy indeeds have an infection in his finger. He's on antibiotics if it goes white he has to go and get it lance. So it's a day off at school for him today we are going to see my dad and shop for yarn while the antibiotics kick in :)

I have to say am so greatful we have the NHS in Scotland and only in Scotland you don't need to pay for your meds either (in the rest of the uk you do unless you are on benefits etc) yesterday costed me zero too see the doctor or the meds!
 
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Whether it was a Capital T or a small t shape, I think the concept is grasped.

The cross is a symbol Christians use to identify themselves with Christ as well as to remind ourselves and other things. We wouldn't be identified as a Christian by anything in the picture you posted.

As well a Christian has a deep relationship with the cross and it's symbolism. It means our salvation, our redemption. It's a very personal image and there's nothing more interesting to us than the death that Jesus suffered in the cross. It's infinitely interesting in its own, and the more the image represents the cross the better of an image it becomes.

Not trying to come off strong, just trying to explain why Christians prefer a traditional cross.

You must also realise there are other cultures who adhere to Christianity that have their own traditional crosses which represent their faith too. For example the Tuareg cross as above (although most Tuareg are Muslim now, it still has cultural roots), the Coptic Ethiopian and Egyptian cross, the Berber cross and various others, who were adhering to Christianity before it even reached Western Europe.

These all form up part of the identity and history of Christianity. You're reasoning seems culturally ignorant.
 
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He wasn't crucified on a a piece of jewellery anyway according to the Christian faith.

Anyway, early Christians used the symbol of the fish as their faith icon. The cross was later adopted.

Some scholars point towards the crufixion happening on a pole or the T shape (Crux Commissa).

You're right, he wasn't crucified on a piece of jewellery. However, (and I cannot speak for all Christians) Christians usually wear these symbols as a reminder for them when out in public. Our faith alone is in Jesus.

We don't put our faith in scholars, but in Jesus who is (to us) the Son of God.

You must also realise there are other cultures who adhere to Christianity that have their own traditional crosses which represent their faith too. For example the Tuareg cross as above (although most Tuareg are Muslim now, it still has cultural roots), the Coptic Ethiopian and Egyptian cross, the Berber cross and various others, who were adhering to Christianity before it even reached Western Europe.

These all form up part of the identity and history of Christianity. You're reasoning seems culturally ignorant.

No one is attacking or saying anything against other cultures. Only a statement of faith was commented.
 
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You must also realise there are other cultures who adhere to Christianity that have their own traditional crosses which represent their faith too. For example the Tuareg cross as above (although most Tuareg are Muslim now, it still has cultural roots), the Coptic Ethiopian and Egyptian cross, the Berber cross and various others, who were adhering to Christianity before it even reached Western Europe.

These all form up part of the identity and history of Christianity. You're reasoning seems culturally ignorant.

For me it's symbolic of picking up my cross and following Christ.

I don't know what others' reasoning is, but for me that always made sense and it serves as a reminder that I sometimes need.
 
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OMM: Running the race well. I don't care if I limp across the finish line...I want to hear "well done." Fear is so often a tool of the enemy. Let us all fight the good fight, pray continuously, love one another, and look to/ depend upon the Lord who is more than able. Can I just say I am in awe right now of the fact that the Lord is a warrior. Isaiah 42:13
 
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You must also realise there are other cultures who adhere to Christianity that have their own traditional crosses which represent their faith too. For example the Tuareg cross as above (although most Tuareg are Muslim now, it still has cultural roots), the Coptic Ethiopian and Egyptian cross, the Berber cross and various others, who were adhering to Christianity before it even reached Western Europe.

These all form up part of the identity and history of Christianity. You're reasoning seems culturally ignorant.

Ooooor maybe it doesn't matter what people decide to wear lol. At first I thought this argument started because someone was against the wearing of a crucifix. (That's what happens when you read conversations backwards.) But seriously, who cares what people wear around their necks as faith expressions? Any kind of background context is great, but it's not necessary in order for something to be meaningful.
 
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He wasn't crucified on a a piece of jewellery anyway according to the Christian faith.

Anyway, early Christians used the symbol of the fish as their faith icon. The cross was later adopted.

Some scholars point towards the crufixion happening on a pole or the T shape (Crux Commissa).
Whether it was a Capital T or a small t shape, I think the concept is grasped.

The cross is a symbol Christians use to identify themselves with Christ as well as to remind ourselves and other things. We wouldn't be identified as a Christian by anything in the picture you posted.

As well a Christian has a deep relationship with the cross and it's symbolism. It means our salvation, our redemption. It's a very personal image and there's nothing more interesting to us than the death that Jesus suffered in the cross. It's infinitely interesting in its own, and the more the image represents the cross the better of an image it becomes.

Not trying to come off strong, just trying to explain why Christians prefer a traditional cross.
You must also realise there are other cultures who adhere to Christianity that have their own traditional crosses which represent their faith too. For example the Tuareg cross as above (although most Tuareg are Muslim now, it still has cultural roots), the Coptic Ethiopian and Egyptian cross, the Berber cross and various others, who were adhering to Christianity before it even reached Western Europe.

These all form up part of the identity and history of Christianity. You're reasoning seems culturally ignorant.
You're right, he wasn't crucified on a piece of jewellery. However, (and I cannot speak for all Christians) Christians usually wear these symbols as a reminder for them when out in public. Our faith alone is in Jesus.

We don't put our faith in scholars, but in Jesus who is (to us) the Son of God.



No one is attacking or saying anything against other cultures. Only a statement of faith was commented.
@EyesOfKohl has a point. The heritage of Christianity is an intricate tapestry; looking from a distance, we can see that Jesus was foretold by prophets, was born of a Virgin, suffered, died, and was raised, and will come to judge the living and the dead. Looking closer will reveal the multifaceted expressions of that faith. And one of these, I reckon, would be these Tuareg crosses.

It makes no difference whether or not Christ was crucified on one, as it is an artful representation of the ugliest thing that was also the most beautiful thing; beauty is practically the essence of Christianity.

I support the traditional t-shaped cross because of Ezekiel 9:4--

And the LORD said to him, "Pass through the city, through Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and groan over all the abominations that are committed in it."

The word mark is the Hebrew tav....

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As in the Exodus before, those not marked with the sign of the cross were marked for death. This is also the basis for the Catholic sign of the cross gesture. Pretty cool, no?
 
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