What's on your mind?

[grandvizier1006]

In my experience, people tend to usually be a lot more complicated than to simply be divided into leftists or rightists. I am curious to hear what happened, if you ever feel like talking about it.

I just sort of went to one of those places full of SJWs that no sane person ever goes to. I wanted to check up on a Youtuber I was subscribed to and he was lamenting his terrible life. I can feel sorry for him and his issues, but that doesn't mean he and all of his commiserators are correct.

I think some people just say that their life is terrible for attention. You never see rape victims or drug addicts in places like Tumblr, or anyone who was a refugee in a war. Just people lamenting their minority status.mthey might have some issues and suffering, but many people do. I did, and while I would love to ruminate on my problems, I'm beginning to understand now that it's not healthy.

It feels good, though, to feel like your misunderstood, because you can then tell yourself that you are special and unique and loved by so,e random people who supposedly are just like you, and then you feel better. It's like a drug, practically-you can get addicted to your own emotions. At least that's how it so,entices is for me.

But God calls us to something greater. He wants us to find our identity in Him, not in our hardships. He wants us to look past differences, swallow our pride, and admit our sin. That kind of thing is painful and unnatural, but God wants us to move on from it. He wants to heal us from all of that stuff that we kept saying "didn't define us" and yet we talk about it so much that we might as well be defined by it. he wants to free us from our sin and our pain in this life. He wants to call us out from whatever sinful attitudes, thoughts or behavior we use to cope with stress and show us that He has so much in store for us.

And it just breaks my heart to know that my generation cannot or will not ever get this message, considering that I can barely grasp it myself. When someone on here said, "All are welcome in the body of Christ,", I nearly teared up. It can't be true, not just because some Christians are intolerant or whatever (and I honestly have never experienced that, just sort of ignorance of me and me not being used to people), but because deep down, my sinful nature doesn't want it to be true. I want to go on self-loathing and "beat other people" in the de facto "competition of who has the worst life". But the reality is that my life isn't so bad, and I really need to help all of the people that really have suffered because the church is either ignoring them or can't see them. I feel sorry for these"deviants" (deviantart users, but just the whole 20-something Internet subculture in general) because most of them think they're geniuses and turn out to. E completely ignorant steeple, thinking that they are rebellious in their little echo chambers. But I can't dislike them for that because I have that same mindset sometimes, even if I don't have a Tumblr or Deviantart account or whatever.

I just want to pray for and help these people somehow, but I feel like they won't listen to me. And I can't let my life be an example of how great a Christian can be because I am just like them.

Sorry for that little rant. What happens is that I have OCD and obsessive thoughts will "trigger" from something. As much as people like to make fun of triggers, I have some.

 

[High Fidelity]

In my experience, people tend to usually be a lot more complicated than to simply be divided into leftists or rightists. I am curious to hear what happened, if you ever feel like talking about it.

Indeed. On social issues I am right. On economic issues I'm a shade away from full-on socialism.

 

[Messy]

Indeed. On social issues I am right. On economic issues I'm a shade away from full-on socialism.

Oh Hahaha I read right as correct lol.

 

[TheGirlOnFire]

I don't think I could get more left.....I could never be right blah blah I would actually set myself on fire....

Though we do find as people get older they do move towards the right more, I think this is because people are more concerned about themselves than others as the world eats away at you

 

[fromtheAsh]

I'm sort of all over the place, it really depends on the specific social or economic issue.

 

[Messy]

I don't think I could get more left.....I could never be right blah blah I would actually set myself on fire....

Though we do find as people get older they do move towards the right more, I think this is because people are more concerned about themselves than others as the world eats away at you

No my dad was right when he was young but he didn't believe. Lol I remember when I was 13 someone asked me and I said I voted for the most anti-social super right party we have. Why? he said. Oh my dad votes that too. Then we get the most money and can buy 4 cars for ourselves. Now he votes left because the right steal everything away from the old people in they can. It's so anti-social and also with things like euthanasia. It's just unchristian. The real christian party here is left. In America I get the idea that it's a mix. The right have most Christian moral values but don't want to take care of the less fortunate and the left do but don't care about Israel and some christian stuff.

 

[TheGirlOnFire]

No my dad was right when he was young but he didn't believe. Lol I remember when I was 13 someone asked me and I said I voted for the most anti-social super right party we have. Why? he said. Oh my dad votes that too. Then we get the most money and can buy 4 cars for ourselves. Now he votes left because the right steal everything away from the old people in they can. It's so anti-social and also with things like euthanasia. It's just unchristian. The real christian party here is left. In America I get the idea that it's a mix. The right have most Christian moral values but don't want to take care of the less fortunate and the left do but don't care about Israel and some christian stuff.

Only because Israel are killing people frankly I would never support anything that wants to kill and oppress people... even if they are different


That general finding doesn't apply to everyone.

And we do now have neoliberalism which is a mix of sorts as you talk about.. it's what the main parties in UK use.....

 

[Messy]

Only because Israel are killing people frankly I would never support anything that wants to kill and oppress people... even if they are different
That general finding doesn't apply to everyone.
And we do now have neoliberalism which is a mix of sorts as you talk about.. it's what the main parties in UK use.....

Neo what? Lol I know nothing about politics.
Better have a Theocracy, problem solved.

 

[TheGirlOnFire]

Neo what? Lol I know nothing about politics.
Better have a Theocracy, problem solved.

Neoliberalism is capitalism on steroids.

 

[fromtheAsh]

I just sort of went to one of those places full of SJWs that no sane person ever goes to. I wanted to check up on a Youtuber I was subscribed to and he was lamenting his terrible life. I can feel sorry for him and his issues, but that doesn't mean he and all of his commiserators are correct.

I think some people just say that their life is terrible for attention. You never see rape victims or drug addicts in places like Tumblr, or anyone who was a refugee in a war. Just people lamenting their minority status.mthey might have some issues and suffering, but many people do. I did, and while I would love to ruminate on my problems, I'm beginning to understand now that it's not healthy.

It feels good, though, to feel like your misunderstood, because you can then tell yourself that you are special and unique and loved by so,e random people who supposedly are just like you, and then you feel better. It's like a drug, practically-you can get addicted to your own emotions. At least that's how it so,entices is for me.

But God calls us to something greater. He wants us to find our identity in Him, not in our hardships. He wants us to look past differences, swallow our pride, and admit our sin. That kind of thing is painful and unnatural, but God wants us to move on from it. He wants to heal us from all of that stuff that we kept saying "didn't define us" and yet we talk about it so much that we might as well be defined by it. he wants to free us from our sin and our pain in this life. He wants to call us out from whatever sinful attitudes, thoughts or behavior we use to cope with stress and show us that He has so much in store for us.

And it just breaks my heart to know that my generation cannot or will not ever get this message, considering that I can barely grasp it myself. When someone on here said, "All are welcome in the body of Christ,", I nearly teared up. It can't be true, not just because some Christians are intolerant or whatever (and I honestly have never experienced that, just sort of ignorance of me and me not being used to people), but because deep down, my sinful nature doesn't want it to be true. I want to go on self-loathing and "beat other people" in the de facto "competition of who has the worst life". But the reality is that my life isn't so bad, and I really need to help all of the people that really have suffered because the church is either ignoring them or can't see them. I feel sorry for these"deviants" (deviantart users, but just the whole 20-something Internet subculture in general) because most of them think they're geniuses and turn out to. E completely ignorant steeple, thinking that they are rebellious in their little echo chambers. But I can't dislike them for that because I have that same mindset sometimes, even if I don't have a Tumblr or Deviantart account or whatever.

I just want to pray for and help these people somehow, but I feel like they won't listen to me. And I can't let my life be an example of how great a Christian can be because I am just like them.

Sorry for that little rant. What happens is that I have OCD and obsessive thoughts will "trigger" from something. As much as people like to make fun of triggers, I have some.

I think our generation, those currently in their 20s (born late 80s into early 90s), the "Millennials", "90s kids", etc. are sort of caught in the middle between the pre-tech and post-tech world. We into went to elementary school with phone cords and graduated high school with smart phones in our pockets. I teach high school, I'm less than a decade older than my students and we grew up in two completely different worlds. Our childhood was offline and our adolescence was online. We relate to those 10 years older than us better than those 10 years younger than us, but at the same time not really. We grew up both in a world surrounded by 21st century technology and without it. All we've known is misunderstanding, we're not understood by our parents' generation or those younger than us. We were told as children that we're special, and that's all some people our age have known. All girls are princesses and boys are princes, you can be anything you want to be. That was the message given to us from childhood through our formative years, and we've inherited a world where that's not the case anymore.

 

[grandvizier1006]

I think our generation, those currently in their 20s (born late 80s into early 90s), the "Millennials", "90s kids", etc. are sort of caught in the middle between the pre-tech and post-tech world. We into went to elementary school with phone cords and graduated high school with smart phones in our pockets. I teach high school, I'm less than a decade older than my students and we grew up in two completely different worlds. Our childhood was offline and our adolescence was online. We relate to those 10 years older than us better than those 10 years younger than us, but at the same time not really. We grew up both in a world surrounded by 21st century technology and without it. All we've known is misunderstanding, we're not understood by our parents' generation or those younger than us. We were told as children that we're special, and that's all some people our age have known. All girls are princesses and boys are princes, you can be anything you want to be. That was the message given to us from childhood through our formative years, and we've inherited a world where that's not the case anymore.

Maybe that whole "you're special" mentality is why people get really worked up about their own problems, they feel like they shouldn't be going through it. I had that mindset once. It's hard to go out of. People are just so selfish sometimes, and the Christian walk encourages selflessness. But sometimes that's hard for me because I'm under the impression that if I want to help people, it's on their terms. No such thing as tough love or alternate solutions, just appeasement.

my therapist has encouraged me to practice what he calls "radical acceptance"-- so that once I get the "different person" idea in mind, I can just love people like I'm supposed to. But does loving people always mean to be nice to them and never offend them, challenge them, criticize them, etc.? I feel like that's the message that social liberalism, and all of the Tumblrites or whatever, seems to give, and it sounds in- Christian but even just saying that gives me this sense that it's "not right for me to say that" publicly, because it sounds like I don't want people to be happy (which makes me a bad person). I don't like being told the other side has the moral high ground, it's messed me up.

 

[MiniEmu]

I always wonder how our political leanings are influenced (positively or negatively) by our upbringing. In fact our views on most things.

My grandparents were communists who mellowed into socialists, and my parents were socialists who mellowed into "don't really cares". I'm sure that has influenced by world view in some way.

As for loving everyone, I think there are more than a few people on both/all sides who take anything which opposes their view as an attack, it can become rather dizzying. I always think it's not so much what you say, as how/when you say it. Which takes time to perfect, sometimes.

I'm sure I cause far more offence than I realise, but being blessed with obliviousness is a wonderful thing indeed.

 

[TheGirlOnFire]

 

[SnowyMacie]

my therapist has encouraged me to practice what he calls "radical acceptance"-- so that once I get the "different person" idea in mind, I can just love people like I'm supposed to. But does loving people always mean to be nice to them and never offend them, challenge them, criticize them, etc.? I feel like that's the message that social liberalism, and all of the Tumblrites or whatever, seems to give, and it sounds in- Christian but even just saying that gives me this sense that it's "not right for me to say that" publicly, because it sounds like I don't want people to be happy (which makes me a bad person). I don't like being told the other side has the moral high ground, it's messed me up.

From it sounds like to me, is that you feel like it's the right thing to do, but you are afraid of anything that could come across as liberal because Christians aren't supposed to be liberal.

 

[fromtheAsh]

my therapist has encouraged me to practice what he calls "radical acceptance"-- so that once I get the "different person" idea in mind, I can just love people like I'm supposed to. But does loving people always mean to be nice to them and never offend them, challenge them, criticize them, etc.? I feel like that's the message that social liberalism, and all of the Tumblrites or whatever, seems to give, and it sounds in- Christian but even just saying that gives me this sense that it's "not right for me to say that" publicly, because it sounds like I don't want people to be happy (which makes me a bad person). I don't like being told the other side has the moral high ground, it's messed me up.

I think there's a massive difference between accepting people and accepting what they do. In my opinion, the doors of the church should be open to all. We've kind of lost the shock value of the story of the good Samaritan, the Samaritans to the Jews at that time we're like the Muslims to Christians today.

 

[MehGuy]

I was pretty much forced to hold conservative views as a kid. Even at the time I hated it. Now, I consider myself pretty liberal.

 

[SnowyMacie]

I always wonder how our political leanings are influenced (positively or negatively) by our upbringing. In fact our views on most things.

My grandparents were communists who mellowed into socialists, and my parents were socialists who mellowed into "don't really cares". I'm sure that has influenced by world view in some way.

As for loving everyone, I think there are more than a few people on both/all sides who take anything which opposes their view as an attack, it can become rather dizzying. I always think it's not so much what you say, as how/when you say it. Which takes time to perfect, sometimes.

I'm sure I cause far more offence than I realise, but being blessed with obliviousness is a wonderful thing indeed.

My mom is pretty hardcore conservative and my dad is just a quiet conservative. Once I got to college and learned about other world views overtime I became the current left-leaning moderate that I am. I do have audacity to think that both sides are actually supposed to work together.

 

[grandvizier1006]

As for me, I'm fine with being who I am, but I keep feeling like when someone gives their opinion, they want to influence me and make me into "one of them". It's paranoid, but I can't exactly stop very easily. I just have to get off the Internet and go meet some nice, sensible people in real life that will appreciate me for who I am and not make me agree with them on everything.

 

[grandvizier1006]

Ok, now I'm a little better. I just read something that was very soothing for me. I'll try and keep my obsessive thoughts out of the thread, i don't know if it's the bes thing for me. Maybe a confirmation bias or something.

 

[MiniEmu]

As for me, I'm fine with being who I am, but I keep feeling like when someone gives their opinion, they want to influence me and make me into "one of them". It's paranoid, but I can't exactly stop very easily. I just have to get off the Internet and go meet some nice, sensible people in real life that will appreciate me for who I am and not make me agree with them on everything.

While a good conversation will influence both participants without meaning to, I understand the feeling that someone is hoping they'll be the one to cause your opinions to change. The internet tends not to lend itself to the niceties of in person conversation, so perhaps views come across a little blunter than they would otherwise.

Life is much more enjoyable when people do not enter a conversation with the aims of converting each other.