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[TheGirlOnFire]

Americans should give Trump a chance

It is democracy after all and Trump won the elections to become President

It's not good these people who are protesting and rioting. They are the ones who are creating divide and panic.

The man hasn't even been in one day to do anything and people are crying havoc at the gates.

Come on people, chill and give him a chance to see what happens.

Erm Hilary won more VOTES. More Americans voted for her then trump and he still won it. Erm is that really democracy or is the system that was fine 100 years ago just not working and isn't actually democratic at all ? (Not having a go just asking)

 

[Citanul]

Erm Hilary won more VOTES. More Americans voted for her then trump and he still won it. Erm is that really democracy or is the system that was fine 100 years ago just not working and isn't actually democratic at all ? (Not having a go just asking)

The same thing happened in 2000, but then the previous time it happened was in 1888. Of course, two instances out the last five hardly denotes a trend, but I'd say that it is enough to raise valid questions about the system. But despite that, I think questions need to be asked about a system which has resulted in those two candidates, neither of whom were that appealing (to an outsider at least), as that comes across as it being more broken than the popular vote/electoral college discrepancy.

 

[TheGirlOnFire]

The same thing happened in 2000, but then the previous time it happened was in 1888. Of course, two instances out the last five hardly denotes a trend, but I'd say that it is enough to raise valid questions about the system. But despite that, I think questions need to be asked about a system which has resulted in those two candidates, neither of whom were that appealing (to an outsider at least), as that comes across as it being more broken than the popular vote/electoral college discrepancy.

Only other time actually was 1800, 1824, 1876.

I haven't read 1888.

 

[Citanul]

Only other time actually was 1800, 1824, 1876.

I haven't read 1888.

I got that from Wikipedia, which I know isn't necessarily always reliable, but would have thought it would be for something like this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)#Popular_vote_not_determinative

 

[SarahsKnight]

Hey, everyone. I know that I said the other day that I would stay away from the community for a bit because of a personal battle to work through, but I nevertheless felt compelled to visit just long enough to express a small worry that may or may not just be a personal thing with me considering my general personality, and that you all pray with me if you so feel compelled.

It had come to my attention on the news channel at work earlier last night that protests against Trump's presidency were being reported all over the nation. I have heard some pretty outraged and even violent rhetoric over this election's unexpected results already in just one day. Honestly, I am disappointed to see the man assume such a position of leadership over our nation, just as many people are, but one thing I do not wish for is the division between Republicans and Democrats, Trump supporters and Clinton supporters, conservatives and liberals, and so on and so forth to become so great that violent rebellion becomes the norm. Even my own mother angrily speaks of seeing a bullet through our new and coming President's back in due time. And that I do not wish for, the assassination of even a man I hold in low regard like Trump. That will just be the first folly and error of violence to be heaped upon by many more to come, I imagine, if someone anti-Trump takes it in his head to go that far. Violent uprising may be commonplace in other countries in the manner of which only one person or family rules and the rest of the nation bows to their whim, but that shouldn't be so here in the United States. It's already bad enough we had one civil war, even if already well over 100 years has passed since then, and it is bad enough that we have had as much contention between policeman and civilian minorities as we've already seen. We don't need a people so paranoid and fearful of one President that they believe only a radical and violent backlash is the cure for what they perceive to be the country's current problems. Please, pray with me that no violence will erupt between us and no lives - yes, even Donald Trump's life - will be lost over the radical change that may be coming about as a result of the election, as hurt and angry as many people, Republican and Democrat, seem over it all. Folks, we cannot let our political divisions take us this far apart, to where we speak of assassinations and arming ourselves in preparation for rebellion or fear of government control going to a police state extreme. And then our nation going to war against itself again. It is not worth it.

 

[Swan7]

I hold absolutely no worries of this world. It's only temporary anyway.

 

[OcifferPls]

one thing I do not wish for is the division between Republicans and Democrats, Trump supporters and Clinton supporters, conservatives and liberals, and so on and so forth to become so great that violent rebellion becomes the norm.

I just want to say that this dichotomy, while not really easy to pin down accurately, is not really fair to Democrats or liberals. Speaking from experience, a lot of these violent protests are coming from people with interests outside of America's borders: "we didn't cross the border, the border crossed us" kind of people, Che Guevara worshiping idealists, or similar folks who have little to no loyalty to the U.S. itself, as is obvious. Granted, people on the left can be pushed around and manipulated by these people, and go too far themselves, but it is not fair to attribute anti-American sentiment to people who have been staunch Democrats and war veterans.

 

[Toro]

Hilary won the popular vote.

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Obama didn't win the popular vote in 2012.... he got elected in the SAME way that Trump did

So, whats your point?

If it wasn't a problem when the dems got their way........ why is it only a problem now when they DONT get their way?

The same broken system that elected Obama is the same broken system that elected Trump. If "we the people" dont care enough to fix the issue...... "we the people" have no right to complain when we dont get our way. Because, we didn't put enough energy into making sure the system worked correctly.

 

[TheGirlOnFire]

Obama didn't win the popular vote in 2012.... he got elected in the SAME way that Trump did

So, whats your point?

If it wasn't a problem when the dems got their way........ why is it only a problem now when they DONT get their way?

The same broken system that elected Obama is the same broken system that elected Trump. If "we the people" dont care enough to fix the issue...... "we the people" have no right to complain when we dont get our way. Because, we didn't put enough energy into making sure the system worked correctly.

Erm obama did win the popular vote

 

[Toro]

Erm obama did win the popular vote

Nope. Not the second time around.

His approval ratings were VERY low.

 

[TheGirlOnFire]

Obama 2012

62,156,980

Romney

58,805,060


Others

1,945,981


So your point is invalid

 

[Toro]

Obama 2012

62,156,980

Romney

58,805,060


Others

1,945,981


So your point is invalid

Okay.... I can post numbers too....... but I honestly dont care. The system is broken..... I dont care dem or republican.

Im simply sick of people whining about not getting their way in an election.

 

[Noxot]

Obama didn't win the popular vote in 2012.... he got elected in the SAME way that Trump did

So, whats your point?

If it wasn't a problem when the dems got their way........ why is it only a problem now when they DONT get their way?

The same broken system that elected Obama is the same broken system that elected Trump. If "we the people" dont care enough to fix the issue...... "we the people" have no right to complain when we dont get our way. Because, we didn't put enough energy into making sure the system worked correctly.

the system is designed to be broken because democracy is an inferior mode of governance. humans are still in the dark ages but I think they should stop letting sin influence how they are in the world.

 

[Noxot]

p.s. I think the "environmental" democrat (whats his name durrrrr brain fart) won the popular vote vs bush. so there are situations where demos won the popular vote but still lost the election.

 

[Toro]

the system is designed to be broken because democracy is an inferior mode of governance. humans are still in the dark ages but I think they should stop letting sin influence how they are in the world.

Designed to be broken or not.... it's we the people that KEEP it broken.

It DOESNT have to be broken IF we the people DEMAND more of our system not simply bicker back and forth over the garbage we are constantly served up as options. As if either of them are TRULY better.

(This \/ is general and not to anyone specific)
When Obama won, people whined about how rigged it was and how states should secede. While Obama supporters said "You lost deal with it" Now the shoe is on the other foot and there is MORE of the same whining from places like Cali saying "Waaaah we should secede"

Do people not understand what "United" means? Without it we are simply "States of America" and this acting like children with finger pointing (Dems fault, no Reps fault) and whining of seceding like "I didnt get my way so Im running away." does NOTHING but divide us, waste time, energy and words.

Its the fact that no one..... not even our leaders want to act like adults that lead us to this joke of an election where people have convinced themselves that Hilary or Trump could EVER be considered a valid option for president.

BOTH OF THEM ARE WORST CASE SCENARIO, but people are acting as if it were a battle between the forces of darkness and the powers of good.

Trump and Hilary BOTH have very similar despicable resumes. People need to grow up and accept that Trump or Hilary it matters not...... we were in trouble before the election because we allowed the system to get so broken that THIS is what we are stuck with. NOT because Trump won.

The system that you accept is the system that chose your next president. Accept it and move on... or work towards changing the broken system.... but stop acting like children and whining when you dont get your way.

*End rant*

 

[leothelioness]

Erm Hilary won more VOTES. More Americans voted for her then trump and he still won it. Erm is that really democracy or is the system that was fine 100 years ago just not working and isn't actually democratic at all ? (Not having a go just asking)

The American people only indirectly elect the president. The electoral college, which has been in place since practically day one is what decides who the president is. Just like in the last election Romney won the popular vote, but Obama won the electoral college, so he was elected president.

It's a strange system, I know, but supposedly it's to help states with larger populations not have more representation than smaller states. There are many Americans that I have talked to that want the electoral college to be done away with.

 

[Noxot]

I have no faith in the world. I will continue to love the good things from heaven that God gives freely to those that ask but cursed be all those who birth hell into the world because they are cursed with blindness and evils. those who have no hope, those who do not know God, they are the problem in this world and this knowing is one of being, not merely of mind. in the end, thanks be to God, everyone will be revealed in the light and I would be happier to rot in the darkness of hell than hang around with evil doers in heaven. those who do not take a real loving stand with God will take it for something else. when you die, if heaven does not seem right, it's probably because it's not heaven.

 

[OcifferPls]

Well, you all are entitled to your opinions, but without saying that a world with Trump is the best of all possible worlds, I'd say the electoral college is doing exactly what it was intended to do. It's the DNC, in this case, that has problems, and it has no one to blame but itself.

 

[TheGirlOnFire]

The American people only indirectly elect the president. The electoral college, which has been in place since practically day one is what decides who the president is. Just like in the last election Romney won the popular vote, but Obama won the electoral college, so he was elected president.

It's a strange system, I know, but supposedly it's to help states with larger populations not have more representation than smaller states. There are many Americans that I have talked to that want the electoral college to be done away with.

Romney did not WIN the popular vote!!!!!!!!

Obama WON the popular vote in 2012

I know how the system works we do American politics at uni a lot of our lectures have worked in American colleges or we have American lectures...

 

[TheGirlOnFire]

The American people only indirectly elect the president. The electoral college, which has been in place since practically day one is what decides who the president is. Just like in the last election Romney won the popular vote, but Obama won the electoral college, so he was elected president.

It's a strange system, I know, but supposedly it's to help states with larger populations not have more representation than smaller states. There are many Americans that I have talked to that want the electoral college to be done away with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012