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OK, just out of curiosity, what is your height? 'Cause lately I'm getting the mental image of you being Tyrion Lannister of the singles forums.
Really? You haven't heard it by now? 5 foot 7.
I'm about the size of two dwarfs. Sadly chicks like men who are the size of 3 dwarfs.
Forgive me for this but...
Lol I thought you were short too...
I'm the littlest CFer. Like Madeline.
I'm 5'11 which is just above average height where I live.
Still, I'm no Casanova either.
Sure it should be. Eternal separation should always be abhorrent enough of a thought -- not to mention the wrath of God and His consequences for sin the likes of which are very clearly detailed in the Old Testement judgments on Israel for their sin and disobedience -- that we should seek Christ and His salvation all the more.
That is all American politics are these days...... its the Dems fault.... its the Rep. fault.... anything rather than look at the real issue that the system as a whole is broken. I mean good Lord, "the best" both sides had to offer up are Hilary and Trump...... somehow meaning whoever wins is a worst case scenario.
Yet, people still bicker back and fourth over "who is our savior" rather than simply calling it as it is... they are BOTH cheaters and liars and will sell out this nation for a quarter. Anybody believing either of these jokers will defend or fight for the soul of America are at a level of naive that hasn't been seen since "duck and cover". The duck and cover era at least hadn't been given concrete proof over and over that the government cant be trusted.
And the choice has very heavy consequences,
Considering Casanova was a despicable person who probably had sex with his own daughter, I'd agree the women here don't deserve men like him.Yeah and a large chunk of our female population doesn't deserve a Casanova, lol.
can't quote just a piece on my phone. "Did God ever say one thing in the OT about the Israelites going to a place to suffer consciously forever..." yes. "And I swore on oath in my anger. They shall never enter my rest."It SHOULD be? Lioness, are you telling me that IF (let's just say this for the sake of argument) you did not believe in hell as eternal torment, then you would not be motivated to believe in and serve Christ? To me that sounds an awful lot like submitting to a tyrant king who demands your love, so you force yourself to love him simply to avoid punishment. (And no, I am not calling God a tyrant in saying this.) How do you truly love a father who you are afraid is going to put you in a torture chamber of some sort where you to live in some kind of agony for eternity if you never submit? That's serving him more out of a loathing fear than love. I mean, it really sounds like you were saying here that you only love God to escape hell.
And as to comparing God's wrath in hell to the consequences He laid out for Israel in the Old Testament if they turned to other gods and did other forms of disobedience, yes, I agree with that. That is yet another reason I take the conditionalist stance of hell, because if the kind of punishment Israel endured in the OT for their sins can be at all compared to the fate that lies in store for unbelievers, then that more closely matches what we conditionalists believe will occur, than it does eternal torment. Did God ever say one thing in the OT about the Israelites going to a place to suffer consciously forever after they died on Earth if they turned from Him? Or anything that remotely sounds like it? Not that I remember. Every single time it was some kind of conscious punishment like war with their enemy nations, strife and confusion, constant fear, famine, ending ultimately in being put to the sword (i.e. death), albeit with few survivors He would eventually bring back from their enemies' oppression. If the disobedient Israelites had more to fear than a violent and dishonorable death as a punishment (which sounds more than scary enough as it is to me), as in they then go to hell after their earthly death to suffer infinitely, why wouldn't God bring this up also?
But I do not wish to argue with you at length, Lioness. We are flawed human beings prone to giving offense or too easily being offended when discussing subjects that are notoriously sensitive like this, and so it is not worth me possibly saying something mean or my mistakenly taking something you say as an attack by our continuing on, when we are friends. Many people in my position can answer your questions and challenges better than I do without the disadvantage of it becoming personal, if you are willing to investigate. If I may suggest the Rethinking Hell website or Edward Fudge's book "The Fire That Consumes".
But since you asked me WHY I believe the conditional immortality stance is correct and not the traditional hell view, I thought I had said it in some way or another before but please allow me to at least give a vague summary of my reasons: to me there are too many verses and passages in both the OT and NT of the Bible that use terms such as death, destroy, destruction, perish, be no more, consumed (by the fire), and so on when referring to the fate of unbelievers for me to in good conscience believe that the eternal conscious torment view is correct, because the above terms indicate the exact opposite of that.
Considering Casanova was a despicable person who probably had sex with his own daughter, I'd agree the women here don't deserve men like him.
can't quote just a piece on my phone. "Did God ever say one thing in the OT about the Israelites going to a place to suffer consciously forever..." yes. "And I swore on oath in my anger. They shall never enter my rest."
He was talking about the Jews who worshipped idols after He'd freed them from the Egyptians. He made them to wander the desert the remainder of their lives until the entire generation had died. Then with Joshua as their leader, God helped them find and take the Promised Land.
Typology again, this event is God foreshadowing the future. The desert being Hell, the Promised Land, Heaven. He didn't just wipe out the unbelieving generation who went astray. He left them to wander, to suffer, to bear their shame.
And the Libertarians nominated Gary Johnson, whom said religious freedom is a black hole, didn't know what Aleppo was in regard to talking about Syria, could not name a single foreign leader in a townhall with Chris Matthews, and who picked Weld as his VP- who said rifles are weapons of mass destruction amd pistols are worse...... This election everyone is throwing stones, yet all nominated bozos. We talk about how neither candidate is any good and how broken the system is until the cows come home- fact is- it will be Hillary or Trump- one or the other. That's it. It sucks, but that's how it is. We have a choice, one or the other.
I will totally agree with the first part how the politics here are far too partisan, about how Republican and will always be against Democrats and vice versa, just a matter of taking sides.
But I must admit, Toro, I actually have no idea what the "duck and cover" era was.
Yes, either go with a woman people seem to know as a notorious liar (I didn't research the Benghazi incident and email scandals much myself, so I do not wish to personally weigh in on that), or a smug rich man with a short fuse who has displayed insensitive tendencies. What to do, huh?
I believe a moderate stance that is neither heavily right OR left-leaning is best. But considering how my mother's two Republican neighbors speak of their politics all of the time, it's like both sides would vote for the Devil himself so long as Satan stood for either one's respective political party, regardless of how insane his views would appear. One of said two Republican neighbors and avid Trump supporter actually asked my mother to her face how she could allow her daughter (my sister) to marry "a Mexican". ... my brother in law is from Chile.
"And I swore on oath in my anger. They shall never enter my rest."
Im sorry but i just dont get why usa and russia hate each other so much.
Is it just because they are neighbours?
Like how australia and nz pretend not to like each other and make fun of each other, and also uk and france?
Or because russia uses usas letters in its name?
Or is it because of the silly space race?
Canada is equally cold and vast as russia but they seem to get on oright. I mean of all the countries to pick on in the world why does usa constantly go on about russians. What did they ever do to them????
Americans made movies of tolstoys novels so they cant hate them THAT much. And as far as I know, russians never threaten to cut off their vodka supplies so I just dont see where the problem is. I mean, those james bond movies arent even real.
As for communism, well, if americans dont like it doesnt mean they have to go to war over it. Just agree to disagree. Other countries dont like capitalism as a system of govt its much of a muchness.
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