In regards to submission, I have no problem with your expanded viewpoint.
In regards to the gross generalizations, you've said that I'm right to point it out yet the work stands unaltered. Your words and actions do not line up. I have work related essays that I leave available as public statements of my beliefs. They have been modified dozens of times because when I find error in them I correct them.
If its only a few, what do the rest of the nice Christian ladies do? There won't be enough good Christian guys to go around. Well, unless only a minority of Christian women are similarly good. Then it would balance out. But I'm sure no one wants to go there.
Okay, good. Then we don't need to expand on that. I think part of it was the disorganization of the original post.In regards to submission, I have no problem with your expanded viewpoint.
True, I may need to edit my post. It isn't really a formal essay at this point, and I do appreciate the feedback. It may take me a while to actually sit and edit it through, as I know there are some bugs in it - some of which you have pointed out, and some of which have been pointed out by others on my Xanga version (which, Periann, I wrote it at the same time, and thought that it would also be good to post on the forum as well. It wasn't completely second hand or re-hashed.In regards to the gross generalizations, you've said that I'm right to point it out yet the work stands unaltered. Your words and actions do not line up. I have work related essays that I leave available as public statements of my beliefs. They have been modified dozens of times because when I find error in them I correct them.
In regards to your pseudo-apology to me, sarcasm doesn't help.
If you are offended because I have unjustly lumped you in with a group that is certainly less holy than you are, then I do apologize.
Less holy? That word does not apply. Nor does saying that I don't look at women as well lubed dolls and that I don't sneak quick peaks down dresses imply a holier-than-thou attitude.
I know many guys who DO think and act this way, and many of them go by the title "Christian". Do not assume... that everyone who calls on the LORD does so from a vantage point of perfection.
You speak of a minority. You write as though they are a majority - that much you have conceded. Then you apologize on behalf of all men. That really galled me. And assuming perfection? Again you ascribe a holier-than-thou attitude to those who disagree with your generalizations.
I realize that the male-hating tendencies of many of our female contemporaries also needs to change. But as Christian men... shouldn't we give them sufficient reason to change this notion, by proving to them...
No. We should not. That would be like telling women that they should prove to me that they aren't gold diggers. The idea is absurd. We should of course emulate Christ as much as possible. But we do so by the Spirit as part of our walk with Christ, not because we're trying to prove something to jilted women.
In terms of the culture of the times, female bashing (for lack of a better word) was all the rage. Does the Bible then give us a litany of things wrong with females and tell them to shape up that they might prove themselves to men? Hardly. Yet that proposition, inversed for men, is what HW suggests.
Well, yeah. The advice, "Just be yourself" is not bad because you should go out of your way to impress a girl. It is bad because you should not just sit back and do nothing, thinking that will attract them. Finding the right woman is a process, and it takes either luck, skill or education. If you don't have the first two, you've got to work on the third. You'll notice that the advice "Just be yourself", is usually given by a woman to a man whom she would never date.
I notice that some of the women here think you're on the right track. How's it working in real life? Theorizing is fine, I love to do it myself; but the real test is how it works, and the only way to find out is to get out there and test it.
The idea that most single Christian men disrespect women is untenable.
Show me any church where all (or even the vast majority) of guys in it honestly, truly believe that real leadership primarily means service. (Just like it does in any other facet of life.) Who don't dominate women. Who honestly believe that women are their genuine equal. Who don't look at inappropriate content and don't have a wandering eye and I swear that I will personally bake you a chocolate cake. And send it to you.
I did not. That I'm aware, I have never seen you engaged in male bashing. It's been rather the opposite. You've been extraordinarily supportive of God's role for man. I was only saying that if the bleak picture you paint about the Christian men you've known is true of most, then Christian males may deserve some bashing.Well I'm sorry if you interperate my post as male bashing.
Knowing I can expect the truth from you B4A, I'm going to write the natural companion to paragraph one of point three and then ask you about it. I invite the critique of other ladies as well.I would love to see a bit more grace shown on these forums.
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