What's going on here??

[AuburnSky]

Hey elopez

I guess it wouldn't any of your choices null (they would still matter, because you would still matter), it would just mean some people (or everyone) was predestined to go to heaven or hell, and that's all there is to it.
See, it's easy to say things along the lines of "I trust the idea of God controlling my salvation." But it's not so easy to say "I trust the idea of God controlling my neighbors damnation."
So you think he chooses not to give some people the faith required to believe in him, and so repent and be saved because.. He doesn't have to? (his ways are above our ways, etc..)
Is that truly how things are? Is that truly how he is? ..idk. Something doesn't seem right there. (Now, I wonder whether that's Satan trying to cast darkness and doubt upon my vision, or if I have this questioning because the truth is something else, and God is telling me this in my spirit).

 

[intojoy]

Hey elopez

I guess it wouldn't any of your choices null (they would still matter, because you would still matter), it would just mean some people (or everyone) was predestined to go to heaven or hell, and that's all there is to it.
See, it's easy to say things along the lines of "I trust the idea of God controlling my salvation." But it's not so easy to say "I trust the idea of God controlling my neighbors damnation."
So you think he chooses not to give some people the faith required to believe in him, and so repent and be saved because.. He doesn't have to? (his ways are above our ways, etc..)
Is that truly how things are? Is that truly how he is? ..idk. Something doesn't seem right there. (Now, I wonder whether that's Satan trying to cast darkness and doubt upon my vision, or if I have this questioning because the truth is something else, and God is telling me this in my spirit).

If the scripture is silent about why the non saved are not saved then yea God chose to give divine enablement to the believers and to pass over the non elect. Why question God?
We are created beings that do not have creator feelings or emotions. We have human emotions which accuse God who didn't have to save anyone of being unfair. I don't think trusting in our human emotional understanding of what is and is not fair is cool. What is really cool is that God/Jesus saved period.

 

[AuburnSky]

So after reflecting about it, trusting God to bring the answers, and talking with an older Christian at church today, I think this is pretty sound: that everyone is given a measure of faith as a human being. Now by that faith they can choose to believe in God, or they can choose to put their faith in something else. It's like a muscle, that comes by hearing the word (Romans 10:17), and I suppose you develop it by living it out.

 

[fhansen]

So after reflecting about it, trusting God to bring the answers, and talking with an older Christian at church today, I think this is pretty sound: that everyone is given a measure of faith as a human being. Now by that faith they can choose to believe in God, or they can choose to put their faith in something else. It's like a muscle, that comes by hearing the word (Romans 10:17), and I suppose you develop it by living it out.

yes! And that faith then grows along with its sister, love, justifying, sanctifying, saving us.

 

[elopez]

I guess it wouldn't any of your choices null (they would still matter, because you would still matter), it would just mean some people (or everyone) was predestined to go to heaven or hell, and that's all there is to it.

Like I said earlier I don't think people are predestined to Hell. Maybe I didn't say that but I am now lol. Predestination is not once mentioned in reference to damnation in the Bible, but always to salvation. So people are only predestined to salvation, while the damned are predetermined to Hell (known by God that they are going to Hell from eternity).

See, it's easy to say things along the lines of "I trust the idea of God controlling my salvation." But it's not so easy to say "I trust the idea of God controlling my neighbors damnation."

It's actually very easy to say I trust God does not control my damnation. God is not evil, or inconsistent. We can damn ourselves just fine without God controlling us.

So you think he chooses not to give some people the faith required to believe in him, and so repent and be saved because.. He doesn't have to? (his ways are above our ways, etc..) Is that truly how things are? Is that truly how he is? ..idk. Something doesn't seem right there. (Now, I wonder whether that's Satan trying to cast darkness and doubt upon my vision, or if I have this questioning because the truth is something else, and God is telling me this in my spirit).

Yes. Why does God owe us salvation? What about God not owing us salvation seems wrong to you?

 

[xxProdigalxx]

There is no such thing as predestination. Predestination just comes from confusion of the bible. The pharisees made assumptions too because of what they didn't understand. If Jesus was walking on earth today, he would rebuke people that talk about predestination. There is no way God plans for us to go to hell! That's sickening. God is good and just, there is no way He would create you in your mothers womb just so you can go to hell and suffer forever! That's blasphemy!

Even Judas had his chance but he chose to betray Jesus.