What?

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hereticks. Get the stakes, i'll get the matches

Okie dokie.
Have you seen and/or voted on this thread concerning my patron saint, William Tyndale

http://www.christianforums.com/t7495160/
Tyndale and defying the Pope [poll thread]

Was Tyndale the only Reformer to go against Roman Catholic dogma/doctrines?
And how do others here view him? Thanks

http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/william-tyndale.html

A clergyman hopelessly entrenched in Roman Catholic dogma once taunted Tyndale with the statement, “We are better to be without God’s laws than the Pope’s”.

Tyndale was infuriated by such Roman Catholic heresies, and he replied, “I defy the Pope and all his laws.
If God spare my life ere many years, I will cause the boy that drives the plow to know more of the scriptures than you!”


Tyndale was then strangled and burnt at the stake in the prison yard, Oct. 6, 1536. His last words were, "Lord, open the king of England's eyes." This prayer was answered three years later, in the publication of King Henry VIII’s 1539 English “Great Bible”.

Tyndale was right in rejecting Roman Catholicism

75 68.18%

Tyndale was wrong in rejecting Roman Catholicism

11 10.00%

Tyndale was a heretic

15 13.64%

 

[LovesJesusChrist38]

Okie dokie.
Have you seen and/or voted on this thread concerning my patron saint, William Tyndale

http://www.christianforums.com/t7495160/
Tyndale and defying the Pope [poll thread]




Tyndale was right in rejecting Roman Catholicism

75 68.18%

Tyndale was wrong in rejecting Roman Catholicism

11 10.00%

Tyndale was a heretic

15 13.64%

I have now. I don't hate Catholics either, but they are not the head.

 

[squint]

Because the flesh doesn't want to see the simple truth. We all struggle to overcome our flesh and to walk spiritually which the flesh hates. And demons try to keep us from the truth, they invade our thinking. And i have observed that many times people agree but don't know it.

Well I see at least somebody has an appreciation of facts that these matters do not involve 'just us.'

Except if you are an RCC member, of course. [Traditional insulation glasses]

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[AmyNMoore]

It is actually. I've often wondered if that is what caused the original split (the name Protestant kind of made me wonder). The thing is, starting a new church simply because of issues with the pastor is the worst reason. The ONLY reason one should start a church is because God called them to. Churches started for that reason are the true churches.

I'm not a Catholic, but I'm not against them. I'm not anything except a believer in Christ (lol and yes I attend and minister at my church faithfully) I just don't like labels.

the basic dif, for protestim is protesting the cathlic chruch. the divid happen at first because the cathlic chruch didn't wait the word of God in the hands of folks like you and me. also the rcc was and is into things that the bible speaks out against. the verse i listed and more, like that the pope is the voice of God on earth. do a little web search and you will see what i mean.

 

[LovesJesusChrist38]

Well I see at least somebody has an appreciation of facts that these matters do not involve 'just us.'

Except if you are an RCC member, of course. [Traditional insulation glasses]

s

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LovesJesusChrist38 Hereticks. Get the stakes, i'll get the matches

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus Okie dokie.Have you seen and/or voted on this thread concerning my patron saint, William Tyndale

I have now. I don't hate Catholics either, but they are not the head.

FWIW, I just bumped it

http://www.christianforums.com/t7495160/
Tyndale and defying the Pope



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[thereselittleflower]

Hi tlf.
Do we really have to bring the RCC into this discussion?





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If someone wants an answer that gets to the heart of it all, then yes.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by thereselittleflower Because the scriptures are of no private interpretation, yet all who have seperated themsevles from the Catholic Church and those groups that did so, rely on private interpretation for right understanding, which was never promised us.


So, every group that has seperated itself from the Catholic Church has done what Peter warned against, wrest the scriptures.

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus Hi tlf.
Do we really have to bring the RCC into this discussion?

If someone wants an answer that gets to the heart of it all, then yes.

Ok



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[Knee V]

If everyone were Orthodox we wouldn't be having this problem.

 

[thereselittleflower]

i agree with the idea you are trying to say, that we got away from a norm. but i do have many things against the cathlics, but one i will use. matt 23:9 and 1 tim 2:5.

Would you like to talk about them? You may find that what you think is there that you object to, really isn't.

Matthew 23:9
And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
​

If this means we are not to call humans "father" then why are there numerous examples and references of people doing just that?

Why is Abraham called " our father Abraham" in Acts 7:2 or Isaac "our father Isaac" in Romans 9:10?

Why does scripture tell us that it was ok for christians to call Paul "father" or for Paul to encourage such? Why does Paul regularly referred to Timothy as his child:

"Therefore I sent to you Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, to remind you of my ways in Christ" (1 Cor. 4:17);
"To Timothy, my true child in the faith: grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord" (1 Tim. 1:2);
"To Timothy, my beloved child: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord" (2 Tim. 1:2).
"This charge I commit to you, Timothy, my son, in accordance with the prophetic utterances which pointed to you, that inspired by them you may wage the good warfare" (1 Tim 1:18);
"You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus" (2 Tim. 2:1);
"But Timothy’s worth you know, how as a son with a father he has served with me in the gospel" (Phil. 2:22).
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Why does Paul refer to others in this father/child relationship?

To Titus, my true child in a common faith: grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior" (Titus 1:4);
"I appeal to you for my child, Onesimus, whose father I have become in my imprisonment" (Philem. 10).
"I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14–15).
"Here for the third time I am ready to come to you. And I will not be a burden, for I seek not what is yours but you; for children ought not to lay up for their parents, but parents for their children" (2 Cor. 12:14)
"My little children, with whom I am again in travail until Christ be formed in you!" (Gal. 4:19).

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Why did Peter do the same? :

"She who is at Babylon, who is likewise chosen, sends you greetings; and so does my son Mark" (1 Pet. 5:13).
"Here for the third time I am ready to come to you. And I will not be a burden, for I seek not what is yours but you; for children ought not to lay up for their parents, but parents for their children" (2 Cor. 12:14)
"My little children, with whom I am again in travail until Christ be formed in you!" (Gal. 4:19).

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Why did John do the same? :

"My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin; but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" (1 John 2:1);
"No greater joy can I have than this, to hear that my children follow the truth" (3 John 4).
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And here we have very explicit examples of an Apostle calling other men "father" - John addresses men in his congregations as "fathers" (1 John 2:13–14).

If your interpretation of what that verse in Matthew says is correct and thus the Catholic practice of calling priests fathers is wrong, then how is it that the scripture treats calling men fathers as a completely acceptable and normal practice?

Your interpretation contradicts the rest of scripture on the matter. Scripture does not contradict scripture.

The rest of scripture on the matter supports the Catholic Church's practice of calling priests father.

Do you see this?

 

[AmyNMoore]

If everyone were Orthodox we wouldn't be having this problem.

true!
and i have already bumped heads with someone here so i would like to play nice.

 

[Jake255]

If everyone were Orthodox we wouldn't be having this problem.

This is true, but you could also say if people stuck to only the Word of God and not add their own doctrine, and believed what it says at face value, followed the Holy Spirit - truly followed Him, we wouldn't have this problem either.

See...problem solved.

 

[LovesJesusChrist38]

If everyone were Orthodox we wouldn't be having this problem.

Im more Orthodox than the Rc or Eo.


1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Mt 7;21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

John 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. 27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

Ro 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.



1Co 3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; 22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; 23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

 

[squint]

If everyone were Orthodox we wouldn't be having this problem.

Yes, let's all trade in our own thoughts for a guaranteed maybe from another set of guys. Yes, I want to stake my eternal destiny on some other sects maybe's.

???

Maybe not.

s

 

[thereselittleflower]

Okie dokie.
Have you seen and/or voted on this thread concerning my patron saint, William Tyndale

http://www.christianforums.com/t7495160/
Tyndale and defying the Pope [poll thread]




Tyndale was right in rejecting Roman Catholicism

75 68.18%

Tyndale was wrong in rejecting Roman Catholicism

11 10.00%

Tyndale was a heretic

15 13.64%

Isn't it marvelous that truth is not determined by popular vote?

 

[LovesJesusChrist38]

Isn't it marvelous that truth is not determined by popular vote?

Who voted for the Holy crusades?

 

[PaladinValer]

Why do you think there are so many differnt beliefs, when it comes to what the bible say?

Ignorance of history is a major part of it.

Why do you think we can't seem to get the same doctrines?

Anti-intellectualism and conspiracy theory.

 

[LovesJesusChrist38]

Everyone talks about historical records, history is one reason i believe what i do

 

[thereselittleflower]

Everyone talks about historical records, history is one reason i believe what i do

Then you have not yet dug deep enough into history my friend.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Everyone talks about historical records, history is one reason i believe what i do

Amen!