What You Despise The Most

[All4one]

I just wanted to open a talk where everyone tells something they cannot stand regarding morality. Not just that but also explain why.
This is not a hate column but a way for others to see peoples view on certain things happening in the world today.

Thank You
All4one

 

[Travis]

This is not the forum for this subject.

 

[feral]

What I dislike about morality is when people stop using it as a helpful guideline for their lives and turn it into something that makes them feel righteous and gives them an excuse to condemn - when morality starts being the brick you beat over the heads of people who feel or believe differently from you. I'm not sure if that's what you're looking for with this thread or not.

 

[BobbieDog]

I would take Feral's commentary as starting point: then look to see how what she points to becomes a partisan ideology with which to shape and manage a nation, then extending to a foreign policy with intent to dominate the world; where I would most focus my distaste where these moral efforts come to be an inversion of fact, truth, justice, freedom, compassion, redemption, forgiveness and love.

 

[burrow_owl]

'Won't someone plllllease think about the children?' The notion that children somehow deserve more moral weight than adults irks to me no end (see, eg: the recent terrorist thing in Russia).

 

[BarbB]

'Won't someone plllllease think about the children?' The notion that children somehow deserve more moral weight than adults irks to me no end (see, eg: the recent terrorist thing in Russia).

Ok, how about women and children?

Seriously, that stems from society's attempts to salvage a population from war. Also, from the idea that children have had no choice in dying and have not fulfilled the potential of their lives.

 

[burrow_owl]

Also, from the idea that children have had no choice in dying and have not fulfilled the potential of their lives.

As if adults have had a choice in dying? And it's precisely children's lack of fulfillment of potential that, to me, seems to make the loss of children's lives less tragic than the death of adults. Adults have families, friends, ambitions, and it's the consciousness of all these that make adult lives at least as precious as infants' lives. After all, what is potential if you're not aware of it? One might be able to argue that infants have some nascent sense of their potential, but one will never be argue that they have more awareness of their own potential than an adult.

Adults know what they lose via death. Infants don't. I mean, what makes death tragic? Is it just death? No, it couldn't be: we slaughter animals in the most brutal fashion. Well, then, what separates us from animals? Consciousness of ourselves. At a minimum, adult humans must have more consciousness of theirselves than anything else.

 

[burrow_owl]

To put it differntly: what is it when we mourn a lost child: we mourn a potentiality. In other words, we mourn an abstraction. When we mourn an adult, we mourn a person, with a personality. It's the difference between an empty (although important) concept and a particular entity. Y'see why I find it bizarre that we spend more energy on the former than the latter? I think it tells us far more about our semiotic systems than it does about the relative worth of the two. There's something symbolically important about the potentiality of humanity; but it seems coarse to me to confuse the symbolic order with the order of the real.

That's why I find it downright wrong to value an infant more than infant: to do so is to fundamentally degrade real people as against symbolic people. It's to value personhood, the concept, more than the actual person. We rightly condemned Stalinism for this, yet we retreat into the same sickness ourselves.

 

[Brad'sDad]

'Won't someone plllllease think about the children?' The notion that children somehow deserve more moral weight than adults irks to me no end (see, eg: the recent terrorist thing in Russia).

I'm sure it does. But even coming from you, dude, that's pretty cold.

 

[Paula]

To put it differntly: what is it when we mourn a lost child: we mourn a potentiality. In other words, we mourn an abstraction. When we mourn an adult, we mourn a person, with a personality. It's the difference between an empty (although important) concept and a particular entity. Y'see why I find it bizarre that we spend more energy on the former than the latter? I think it tells us far more about our semiotic systems than it does about the relative worth of the two. There's something symbolically important about the potentiality of humanity; but it seems coarse to me to confuse the symbolic order with the order of the real.

Mourning and grief are very complex reactions, and I don't think it has anything at all to do with worth per se. It is said that grief over the loss of a child is far greater than over the loss of any other relative. For innocent children to be starved, deprived of water, forced to drink their own urine, and then senselessly massacred as they were in Russia is generally considered morally outrageous and repugnant.

'Won't someone plllllease think about the children?' The notion that children somehow deserve more moral weight than adults irks to me no end (see, eg: the recent terrorist thing in Russia).

Perhaps it's not the perceived difference in moral weight between loss of children vis-à-vis adults that is irking you so much. Could it be, perhaps, your political views towards the likelihood of Russia aligning itself with the U.S. to fight militant Islamists that disturbs you?

 

[Rae]

when we mourn a lost child: we mourn a potentiality. In other words, we mourn an abstraction. When we mourn an adult, we mourn a person, with a personality.

Obviously spoken by someone who isn't a parent. Children DO have personalities and ARE people from the first day of their birth. My daughter was a person with a personality when she was born last year. She's even more of one now. She likes being chased. She loves toys that make sounds and light. She's scared of loud noises. She wants to be read to much of the time.

She is a person. I dare you to prove otherwise or qualify your statement above.

 

[slayer-2004]

I despise Fred phelps .

 

[PRINCESSOFCHRIST]

I Despise Homosexuality And Pornography The Most

 

[Jetgirl]

I just wanted to open a talk where everyone tells something they cannot stand regarding morality. Not just that but also explain why.
This is not a hate column but a way for others to see peoples view on certain things happening in the world today.

Thank You
All4one

Something I despise regarding morality:

When one exempts themselves from subjective moral guidelines that they strive to impose on others.

Am I interpreting the question correctly?

 

[Lorena]

'Won't someone plllllease think about the children?' The notion that children somehow deserve more moral weight than adults irks to me no end (see, eg: the recent terrorist thing in Russia).

One would need to have a modicum of morality and empathy to understand the outrage over this horrible crime that happened in Russia. An absence of morality, guilt and empathy is typical of sociopathic behavior, or anti-social personality disorder.

 

[The Bellman]

I loathe and abhor people who decide that a certain activity is immoral...and then attempt to prevent others from doing it. Examples include those campaigning against homosexuality and their right to marry. People who do this are little better than Nazis (IMO).

 

[burrow_owl]

One would need to have a modicum of morality and empathy to understand the outrage over this horrible crime that happened in Russia. An absence of morality, guilt and empathy is typical of sociopathic behavior, or anti-social personality disorder.

Whoah, there, Freud. I didn't say children are worthless; I just said it's odd that children are valued more highly than adults.

Why would this be? If it's because 'they had so much potential', then it proves my point: they're valued to the extent that they don't have fully realized personalities. If we mourn the potential, we mourn that-which-is-not. What's that if not an abstraction?

Is it the 'innocence'? First, I find that a dubious notion. Second, why would we value 'innocence' so highly? Isn't the morally important part about adults precisely that they've been weathered by life and learned lessons and so on?

 

[larryicr]

What i despise most about morality is my own lack of it. I fall so short of God's standard.
Yet, in His love and mercy He heals me and lifts me up.
What i hate is knowing how much God has done and given for me, and how little I have given to Him in comparison.

 

[zoe_uu]

The thing I don't like about morality is that everyone and their uncle want to tell me what is moral and what is not, yet they are not so perfect themselves.

 

[Lorena]

Whoah, there, Freud. I didn't say children are worthless; I just said it's odd that children are valued more highly than adults.

Why would this be? If it's because 'they had so much potential', then it proves my point: they're valued to the extent that they don't have fully realized personalities. If we mourn the potential, we mourn that-which-is-not. What's that if not an abstraction?[/QUOTE]
I guess only a parent would understand. Referring back to the Russian tragedy, I think the people of the world have had enough of this terrorism anway. After the gruesome beheadings that also produced public outrage, now the children. How much more should we take?

Is it the 'innocence'? First, I find that a dubious notion. Second, why would we value 'innocence' so highly? Isn't the morally important part about adults precisely that they've been weathered by life and learned lessons and so on?

Innocence is beautiful. It's the same as moral purity, a very desirable quality.