What you (Christians) think of Atheists

[mulimulix]

I was one of you until about 6 months ago. I think atheists are just a bit lost, that's all They are normal humans who haven't been given our gift yet

Fair enough, but I and many other atheists see Christians as the ones that are lost...

 

[razeontherock]

There's Scripture for that:

"For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 1 Corinthians 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith [is] vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable."

 

[SearchingForJesus]

Atheists are irrational and delusional.

 

[Ayersy]

Atheists are irrational and delusional.

Care to explain how we are irrational and delusional?

 

[jcslao]

Atheists are irrational and delusional.

Certainly not a Christ-like response. And I'm pretty sure since I was an atheist myself, atheists are not delusional but open minded to what's in front of them rather than what's not there.

We were all atheists at one point in our life. Unless you were indoctrinated at a young age with Christianity and wasn't able to explore God or understand Christianity for yourself. So please do us a favor and do not say atheists or agnostics are delusional.

In a sense they can say the same for you believing in God. Now compare that to reality and that sir is delusional.

 

[AlexBP]

mulimulix:

I have seen videos of Muslims and Jews claiming to be healed by Allah or Adonai.

Are these videos available on YouTube or somewhere else on the internet. If so, I'd certainly be interested in seeing them if you could provide a link. It's not that I think you're making them up, but rather that I'm interested in how such claims would be reconciled with religious doctrine, particularly when Muslims were involved. It is a key difference between Christianity and Islam that Christians believe the Holy Spirit is at work in human affairs and has been for two thousand years. Muslims, on the other hand, believe that the Prophet Mohammed delivered God's ultimate revelation to humanity. They're not particularly eager to get another one, and any Muslim who claimed to have received directed communication from God, whether by miraculous healing or holy vision or something else, would likely be in a lot of trouble with the religious authorities. Now there may be exceptions to this in some sects. I'm not an expert on that sort of thing.

I believe they are not as prevalent in Islam because Muslims mainly live in third world countries, where health care is poor and there is no chance for a 'miracle' to occur. Not as many in Judaism simply because their population is smaller, less likely for 'miracles' to happen. Christians primarily live in first world countries (Europe, North America) where if someone is sick, they go to the hospital and are treated by the best doctors in the world. They are given every chance for a miracle to happen. If a 'miracle' doesn't happen to you under the best doctors in the world, they won't happen anywhere else.

If you read the books that I already referred to, you'll see that reports of miraculous healings come from all parts of the world, both rich and poor. More importantly, though, simply saying 'it happened because of the medical care' won't convince me because in many cases the doctors themselves testify that the patient's recovery defies medical explanation. In the case of Rita Klaus, for instance, we have a woman who recovered from a severe case of multiple sclerosis and it happened literally overnight. This case is particularly well-documented because so many different doctors had worked with her. Among other things, they noted that even if her case of MS had spontaneously vanished, it would have taken months before her muscles were in shape to even allow her to stand up. However, Rita was not just walking but running and jumping within less than twenty-four hours of the healing.

 

[SearchingForJesus]

Care to explain how we are irrational and delusional?

Atheists are irrational and delusional because they knowingly admit that Methodological Naturalism REJECTS anything supernatural, then will ask you to prove the existence of something supernatural by Methodological Naturalistic means.

They use thoughts, but never question that thoughts are an AXIOM, there is ZERO empirical evidence to prove thoughts exist, they accept this by faith and personal experience, and then REJECT those who come to Christ by faith and personal experience. That is hypocritical.

Atheism is very delusional in calling Abiogenesis, a hypothesis that suggests life came into existence with a water/rock mixture, sprinkled with some space sugar that was somehow not broken down by the atmosphere that suddenly does not exist on Earth, or is not broken down by the exploding birth of stars that are to be responsible of how space sugar got here, ...and I have never got a straight answer on how space sugar formed, maybe in the sugar cane galaxy. Take this mixture, hit it with a bolt of lightning, let it cool off, warm up, cool off, and whala, RNA, simple chemicals, polymers... and then the polymers started self-replicating...

And this hypothesis is called 'rational'

In the words of Sarah Palin, "Thanks, but no thanks, on that bridge to nowhere."

Certainly not a Christ-like response. And I'm pretty sure since I was an atheist myself, atheists are not delusional but open minded to what's in front of them rather than what's not there.

We were all atheists at one point in our life. Unless you were indoctrinated at a young age with Christianity and wasn't able to explore God or understand Christianity for yourself. So please do us a favor and do not say atheists or agnostics are delusional.

In a sense they can say the same for you believing in God. Now compare that to reality and that sir is delusional.

Here is an excellent example, a person calls my response "not a Christ-like response", and then, at the very end calls people who believe in God "delusional". That is a completely hypocritical response, in case you didn't know.

 

[jcslao]

@searchingforjesus

And your response is suppose to win an atheist to Christ?

My response is more of an direct statement showing your rude comment to call an unbeliever delusional. how ignorant is that? You were once in the same position as an atheist and yet you just dismiss them as being "irrational and delusional"?

I guess I am a hyprocite and uh you are too...

 

[SearchingForJesus]

@searchingforjesus

And your response is suppose to win an atheist to Christ?

My response is more of an direct statement showing your rude comment to call an unbeliever delusional. how ignorant is that? You were once in the same position as an atheist and yet you just dismiss them as being "irrational and delusional"?

I guess I am a hyprocite and uh you are too...

Let me bring you up to speed, because you are a bit confused, are you not?

This thread is called: What you (Christians) think of Atheists

Now, it seems you would rather I had 'lied' than answer that question honestly.

BUT, that is not your point of confusion. You seem to believe the thread is named: What would you (Christians) say to a Atheist to win them?

Yes, my answer would be a horrible answer if that was the thread, but it is not.

Do you know where you are at now?
Btw, that cross beside your name says you are a Christian, and you say people who believe in God are delusional... I would say, from your viewpoint, I could see where you would come to that conclusion.

 

[razeontherock]

Atheists are irrational and delusional because they knowingly admit that Methodological Naturalism REJECTS anything supernatural, then will ask you to prove the existence of something supernatural by Methodological Naturalistic means.

They use thoughts, but never question that thoughts are an AXIOM, there is ZERO empirical evidence to prove thoughts exist, they accept this by faith and personal experience, and then REJECT those who come to Christ by faith and personal experience. That is hypocritical.

Here is an excellent example, a person calls my response "not a Christ-like response", and then, at the very end calls people who believe in God "delusional". That is a completely hypocritical response, in case you didn't know.

This much is not only applicable generally, but fits the poster you responded to (at the beginning) like a glove! You're correct that whatever filter an atheist has to prevent critical thought from being exercised in this direction runs 100% contrary to the stated ideals that usually go along with it. And i have found this to be 100% consistent amongst our atheists / agnostics here on CF ...

(You're bit on abio-genesis is outdated though; they reproduced it, last year I think)

 

[jcslao]

@searchingforjesus
I agree with you now, maybe my point isn't clear enough. All I wanted to say was just like you say atheists are delusional to believing in God, they think you or me are delusional for believing in God. That's all I'm saying, sure they refuse to accept something supernatural with any proof it's there. But their view certainly isn't valid until the day they try Christ.

I was not meaning to start a disagreement. I do understand what the cross means to me. I need not an explanation on my coming to Christ. Because the way I came is what I appreciate dearly in my heart and I thank the Lord for the path He used to direct me to Him. Being indoctrinated at a young age about Christianity without no understanding and then stepping away from the faith and finding Christ for myself was awesome. Not sure if you were in the same position as me but I feel what an atheist/ agnostic goes through and what you said above is true but what I said above in this post is true also.

Using the word hypocrite was wrong but I used it in my part because I find it strange you would say "delusional or irrational" when we were all atheists at one point and lost on the road but we found Christ different ways.

God bless...

 

[SearchingForJesus]

(You're bit on abio-genesis is outdated though; they reproduced it, last year I think)

Last time I checked, the closest they got is by taking a living cell, adding in nonliving parts, until the whole was totally implanted and living.

Life was never created, only sustained.

 

[SearchingForJesus]

@searchingforjesus
I agree with you now, maybe my point isn't clear enough. All I wanted to say was just like you say atheists are delusional to believing in God, they think you or me are delusional for believing in God. That's all I'm saying, sure they refuse to accept something supernatural with any proof it's there. But their view certainly isn't valid until the day they try Christ.

I was not meaning to start a disagreement. I do understand what the cross means to me. I need not an explanation on my coming to Christ. Because the way I came is what I appreciate dearly in my heart and I thank the Lord for the path He used to direct me to Him. Being indoctrinated at a young age about Christianity without no understanding and then stepping away from the faith and finding Christ for myself was awesome. Not sure if you were in the same position as me but I feel what an atheist/ agnostic goes through and what you said above is true but what I said above in this post is true also.

Using the word hypocrite was wrong but I used it in my part because I find it strange you would say "delusional or irrational" when we were all atheists at one point and lost on the road but we found Christ different ways.

God bless...

I apologize for any hard feelings or sharp words.

I just didn't understand the backlash against my assessment. I wasn't meaning to offend.

Sure, I believe Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, turned water into wine, healed the sick, raised the dead, walked on water, and rose from the dead after being executed on the cross. BUT, I accept this by faith, in what I have experienced and known. I never try to pass this off as rational or scientific, though I certainly believe it happened, I believe by faith.

On the contrary, the opposing view believes it is rational to believe all life came from a rock. It is not rational. They have faith in their belief, that is it. By claiming that to be rational is to me both irrational and delusional.

No offense.

God Bless!!!

 

[jcslao]

I apologize for any hard feelings or sharp words.

I just didn't understand the backlash against my assessment. I wasn't meaning to offend.

Sure, I believe Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, turned water into wine, healed the sick, raised the dead, walked on water, and rose from the dead after being executed on the cross. BUT, I accept this by faith, in what I have experienced and known. I never try to pass this off as rational or scientific, though I certainly believe it happened, I believe by faith.

On the contrary, the opposing view believes it is rational to believe all life came from a rock. It is not rational. They have faith in their belief, that is it. By claiming that to be rational is to me both irrational and delusional.

No offense.

God Bless!!!

AMEN!

You didn't offend me and I hope I didn't offend you. I think it was misunderstanding on my part, not yours. I just didn't have the right definitions correctly matching the term. Like atheist is someone that denies the existence of God. And with what you posted so far in the thread above I agree with, but my posts were reflecting more about an agnostic or skeptic. I was one of those, I wasn't an atheist (because I did not DENY the existence of God) but I was agnostic or an skeptic, just WASN'T SURE if God existed or not.

The reason I am apologizing is because, like I always do, I interpret threads incorrectly. I'm new to this forum stuff, so it's hard to read into someone post for me.

Sorry and I agree with what you said!

God bless brother in Christ and thanks for the reply!

 

[jcslao]

Atheists are irrational and delusional.

so as i stated before, I viewed this incorrectly I thought it was read "agnostics/skeptics" are irrational and delusional. I took the agnostic/skeptic point of view to defend the atheist view, which was incorrect on my part since:

atheist = DENIES God existence.
agnostic/skeptic = DON'T KNOW if God exists.

i understand now...

 

[razeontherock]

Last time I checked, the closest they got is by taking a living cell, adding in nonliving parts, until the whole was totally implanted and living.

Life was never created, only sustained.

Out-dated info. You might check w/ Lucaspa, he's a believer up on that stuff ...

 

[HAPMinistries]

n/a

 

[SearchingForJesus]

Originally Posted by jcslao

AMEN!

You didn't offend me and I hope I didn't offend you. I think it was misunderstanding on my part, not yours. I just didn't have the right definitions correctly matching the term. Like atheist is someone that denies the existence of God. And with what you posted so far in the thread above I agree with, but my posts were reflecting more about an agnostic or skeptic. I was one of those, I wasn't an atheist (because I did not DENY the existence of God) but I was agnostic or an skeptic, just WASN'T SURE if God existed or not.

The reason I am apologizing is because, like I always do, I interpret threads incorrectly. I'm new to this forum stuff, so it's hard to read into someone post for me.

Sorry and I agree with what you said!

God bless brother in Christ and thanks for the reply!
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No problem bro, thank you!

Originally Posted by razeontherock

Out-dated info. You might check w/ Lucaspa, he's a believer up on that stuff ...
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I will check into it. Thank you!