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This poll is mainly geared towards hetero's but all are welcome to post their thoughts.

Hypothetical situation.

An openly homosexual couple join your church, are you compelled to do anything?

If anyone feels inclined to respond, I'd also like to know what your position is at your church, and also what you would do if you were the head pastor (if anything different).


By starting this discussion I am hoping to try to give some insight to fellow brethren so please use your best efforts not to completely derail the thread :blush:
 
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Q: Are you compelled to do anything?

A: Yes indeed. We are compelled to offer radical hospitality in the Name of Jesus.

In my own parish they would be welcomed without reservation. We would offer them opportunities for formation, mission and ministry as they felt led by the Spirit. And they would enjoy fellowship with us all.

This is what it means to be "the Church."
 
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This poll is mainly geared towards hetero's but all are welcome to post their thoughts.

Hypothetical situation.

An openly homosexual couple join your church, are you compelled to do anything?

If anyone feels inclined to respond, I'd also like to know what your position is at your church, and also what you would do if you were the head pastor (if anything different).


By starting this discussion I am hoping to try to give some insight to fellow brethren so please use your best efforts not to completely derail the thread :blush:

By openly homosexual, do you mean they are a homosexual couple that pretty much let us know that they are having sex?

If so, yes. If by some wonder, they were allowed to join the church, they would be held to the same Biblical standard as every other member.

Is someone is walking in disobedience, he is to be admonished, warned and appealed to in love. 2 Tim 4:2 Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction

The admonishing or correcting is not limited to church leaders but any member in the body who is spiritually mature and led of the Spirit.

First, we are to seek private correction and/or reconciliation with the offender. The Bible says in Mat. 18:15 15"If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over.

If the first step fails, witnesses are to be taken to strengthen the effect of the discipline, preferably spiritual leaders, so that if it has to be brought before the whole church it can be firmly proven and established.

16But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' Matt. 18:16


If the second step fails, seek reconciliation and restoration through the whole body and taking it before the whole church.

17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector Matthew 18:17

If theydo not want to receive discipline from the church body, they are to be removed from the body.


But note this process is the same for EVERYONE, not just gay couples.
 
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Q: Are you compelled to do anything?

A: Yes indeed. We are compelled to offer radical hospitality in the Name of Jesus.

In my own parish they would be welcomed without reservation. We would offer them opportunities for formation, mission and ministry as they felt led by the Spirit. And they would enjoy fellowship with us all.

This is what it means to be "the Church."

Open and willful sin is not to be tolerated by the body of Christ. Many churches do not practice Biblically prescribed Church Discipline and this is why they look like the world instead of the Acts church.
 
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Open and willful sin is not to be tolerated by the body of Christ. Many churches do not practice Biblically prescribed Church Discipline and this is why they look like the world instead of the Acts church.
Unlike your church, my church does not exhibit a lurid, prurient penchant for peeking into the sex lives of our members. There is far too much mission and ministry to be done rather than wasting our time and energy on such trivial matters.
 
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Unlike your church, my church does not exhibit a lurid, prurient penchant for peeking into the sex lives of our members. There is far too much mission and ministry to be done rather than wasting our time and energy on such trivial matters.

:amen:

To be fair I dislike going to most churches and I feel people take an unhealthy interest in others private lives. I really wish I could find a church that was focussed entirely on God and not judging its members.

In regards to the OP: I dont really have a church so cant comment but hypothetically it would be none of my business what people did in their bedrooms.
 
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Unlike your church, my church does not exhibit a lurid, prurient penchant for peeking into the sex lives of our members. There is far too much mission and ministry to be done rather than wasting our time and energy on such trivial matters.

When is sin trivial?

What you call a waste of time and energy, God's Word shows to be a necessity.

God does not work through sin, and if you guys are going on mission and ministry mired in sin, a sovereign God will accomplish what He intends if the Word is being preached because HE draws men unto Himself.

The danger in going out in sin is that you have no covering. Your armor is not on and you're prone to be attacked by any and all types of spirits.

This might explain why some folks can't let go of some stuff.

There's nothing about church discipline that's lurid. If your church wants to tolerate sin and disobedience, go right ahead. God has a way of dealing with those churches.

See Revelation.
 
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:amen:

To be fair I dislike going to most churches and I feel people take an unhealthy interest in others private lives. I really wish I could find a church that was focussed entirely on God and not judging its members.


Then go find a cult that is not living in accordance to God's Word. Do yall even know what the purpose of the fellowship is? Do you have any idea abaout why a church has an overseer and what he is supposed to be doing for the sheep? Do you have any idea of why iron is to sharpen iron? Do you have any idea why He says that those of the spirit righteously judge all things? DO you have any idea what a disciple is and why Christians are to be discipled? Do you have any idea why Christians are to hold each other accountable?

You dislike going to most churches because you're undisciplined and don't want anyone impeding upon your desire to do what you want to do unchecked.

In regards to the OP: I dont really have a church so cant comment but hypothetically it would be none of my business what people did in their bedrooms.

Spoken like someone who has no idea what the Body is supposed to be.
 
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This poll is mainly geared towards hetero's but all are welcome to post their thoughts.

Hypothetical situation.

An openly homosexual couple join your church, are you compelled to do anything?

If anyone feels inclined to respond, I'd also like to know what your position is at your church, and also what you would do if you were the head pastor (if anything different).


By starting this discussion I am hoping to try to give some insight to fellow brethren so please use your best efforts not to completely derail the thread :blush:
Of course I would do something. I would say hello and welcome them.

What else would any Christian do?
 
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By openly homosexual, do you mean they are a homosexual couple that pretty much let us know that they are having sex?

If so, yes. If by some wonder, they were allowed to join the church, they would be held to the same Biblical standard as every other member.

Is someone is walking in disobedience, he is to be admonished, warned and appealed to in love. 2 Tim 4:2 Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction

The admonishing or correcting is not limited to church leaders but any member in the body who is spiritually mature and led of the Spirit.

First, we are to seek private correction and/or reconciliation with the offender. The Bible says in Mat. 18:15 15"If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over.

If the first step fails, witnesses are to be taken to strengthen the effect of the discipline, preferably spiritual leaders, so that if it has to be brought before the whole church it can be firmly proven and established.

16But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' Matt. 18:16


If the second step fails, seek reconciliation and restoration through the whole body and taking it before the whole church.

17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector Matthew 18:17

If theydo not want to receive discipline from the church body, they are to be removed from the body.


But note this process is the same for EVERYONE, not just gay couples.
One wonders how well you would measure up to the standards you seem eager to place upon others
 
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One wonders how well you would measure up to the standards you seem eager to place upon others

The thread isn't about me so how I measure up is irrelevant. The question asks what would be done if anything. I gave the answer that God gives.

The Church is to be aligned with HIS standard, not mine. The body is not to be tolerant of sin just because I'm sinning.

So rest on the fact that it's GOD's STANDARD and if the church is asking anything less, it's embarassingly sinful.
 
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Then go find a cult that is not living in accordance to God's Word.

A Cult tends to exact a large amount of control over its members. I dont for one moment believe churches are cults of course, but its far more "cultish" to want to know what people are doing in their lives, than it is to not enquire.

Do yall even know what the purpose of the fellowship is?

I dont really enjoy fellowship when it intrudes on my personal life, but I would say it is to bring people as a group closer to God. As I do not adhere to your interpretation of the Bible I believe that someones personal lifes irrelevant to this unless they are actively hurting others.

Do you have any idea abaout why a church has an overseer and what he is supposed to be doing for the sheep? Do you have any idea of why iron is to sharpen iron?

Yes, but I fail to see how wanting to know your congregations private life effects this.


Do you have any idea why He says that those of the spirit righteously judge all things? DO you have any idea what a disciple is and why Christians are to be discipled? Do you have any idea why Christians are to hold each other accountable?

Seeing as I believe judging others even if its claimed to be "righteous" is a sin this isnt really worth me asking. Christians are told not to judge, we are imperfect humans and not capable of doing so.


You dislike going to most churches because you're undisciplined and don't want anyone impeding upon your desire to do what you want to do unchecked.

Personal insults now? I don't like going to churches as I've found the majority are more concerned with controlling their members than telling non-Christians about Jesus.

I don't want to know what anyones doing in their personal life unless they freely volenteer the information its between them and God. If they enjoy praising God or simply want to learn more about God they are welcome in his presence regardless of their personal life.
 
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The answer to my pondering seems to be “you would do very poorly”

The answer to your pondering is still an "I am not the standard by which God'S Church is supposed to operate."

As such, how I measure up ain't got a thing to do with obediently doing what God says to do.
 
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A Cult tends to exact a large amount of control over its members. I dont for one moment believe churches are cults of course, but its far more "cultish" to want to know what people are doing in their lives, than it is to not enquire.

It's what families do. They care for and look out for each other because like Our Father, we want His best for them. This demands that we hold each other accountable in our Christian walks. It's easier to live a life of obedience you're not allowed to run unchecked doing whatever you want.


I dont really enjoy fellowship when it intrudes on my personal life, but I would say it is to bring people as a group closer to God. As I do not adhere to your interpretation of the Bible I believe that someones personal lifes irrelevant to this unless they are actively hurting others.

If you are living in obedience to Christ, it won't. When we are out of God's order, it has a way of making it into the light without intrusion.

And it indeed hurts the Body when a part of the body isn't doing what it's supposed to do.

Your body works the same way. Can a part of you not follow its function and you not be affected? Can your heart start operating like your liver and it not hurt you?

Yes, but I fail to see how wanting to know your congregations private life effects this.

The question posed was one about a homosexual couple. As a Christian, I ask the same thing of them as I would a heterosexual couple because of where they need to be in their spiritual walks in order to be effective member's of the Body.

We, as a Church Body, are not to allow heterosexuals to fornicate unadmonished any more than we are to allow homosexuals.

If you tell me you are a couple, therer are some questions that I as a member of the body or an overseer would need to have clear because it is Biblically disobedient for me to allow you to sit in the body unrepentant.

Why because sin makes the Body sick just as disease makes your physical body sick. Left untreated, it has a way of consuming the body. Sin left unchecked inthe Body of Christ does the same thing.


Seeing as I believe judging others even if its claimed to be "righteous" is a sin this isnt really worth me asking. Christians are told not to judge, we are imperfect humans and not capable of doing so.

You hve a misunderstanding of what God says about judging. You had to make a judgment in order to make the statement you just made so how do you say humans are not capable of judging.


Personal insults now? I don't like going to churches as I've found the majority are more concerned with controlling their members than telling non-Christians about Jesus.

That's not a personal insult. My aplogies if it came across that way. I'm just saying, most people don't like being told what to do. As a young adult and teen, we tend to not go home to our parents when we know we've done something wrong and they are gonna tell us and tell us what we need to do.

Same thing here. Lots of folks don't like church because they feel like somebody is gonna start telling them what to do, whereas they feel like no one has the right to do so because they also feel that no one has the right to judge their actions.

I don't want to know what anyones doing in their personal life unless they freely volenteer the information its between them and God. If they enjoy praising God or simply want to learn more about God they are welcome in his presence regardless of their personal life.

As a parent, is this the approach you would take with your kids? Would you allow them to do whatever without inquiring about what is going on in their lives?

Why would you expect those who are supposed to love their neighbors as themselves to have no concern about what is going on in their neighbors lives?
 
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I'd welcome them, invite them to stay for coffee and ask them if they'd like to come over to my house for dinner; possibly recruit them to sing in the choir (if God is gracious enough to send a Lutheran choir director two male voices, I'm certainly not going to reject the gift!); invite them to join our Disciple Bible Study group; and try to make them feel like a part of the parish family.
 
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I'd say hello to them, probably. I don't know how they'd be received by the wider community- it's never actually happened before. I might be pleasantly surprised by the community's reaction, but maybe not.
 
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When is sin trivial?

What you call a waste of time and energy, God's Word shows to be a necessity.

God does not work through sin, and if you guys are going on mission and ministry mired in sin, a sovereign God will accomplish what He intends if the Word is being preached because HE draws men unto Himself.

The danger in going out in sin is that you have no covering. Your armor is not on and you're prone to be attacked by any and all types of spirits.

This might explain why some folks can't let go of some stuff.

There's nothing about church discipline that's lurid. If your church wants to tolerate sin and disobedience, go right ahead. God has a way of dealing with those churches.

See Revelation.
I cannot help it if you and your church are sin-focussed. We prefer to focus on mission, ministry, worship and hospitality.

Indeed - if your church is overly interested in the sex life of its members - then your church IS lurid, prurient, and way out of line with the Jesus' command.

See the Gospels.
 
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