What Would You Do ?

[BAFRIEND]

Professional counselors may not be available without alerting parents who might be hostile to a gay child. Pastors, priests, and rabbis might react poorly as well.

Awesome point you make. What do they know about homosexuality and Christianity/monotheism: sexually confused 14yos need only be referred to counselors who tell their patients that it is okay to sin and not obey the teachings of the Bible or Jesus. Also, since this kids parents are against the lifestyle, tell him to break another commandment on top of it.

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]You will explain who in any of these threads has said, "do whatever feels good," won't you? And not ask your teammates to censure me for having the temerity to expect an answer of you when you keep repeating it? Thanks for your expected response.[/SIZE]

As soon as you reply to some of my posts with something beside a one liner put down. Thanks for your expected response.

 

[Der Alte]

You will, of course, prove where in this or any other thread discussing homosexuality over four years, anyone claiming to be a Christians has ever said someone should be told "do whatever feels good." Aren't you the member who was complaining about other people making false statements about what people's motives were?

Answers 3, 5, and 6 in the poll at the top of this thread. Also a recent post by one member pointing out that one now openly gay member first came to this forum undecided, questioning and was encouraged to just go with it.

You want in your face you got it!

 

[Der Alte]

Minors should have good guidance from mentors who know what they are talking about.

And you don't think professional counselors, or pastor, priest, rabbi, know what they are talking about?

 

[Der Alte]

Professional counselors may not be available without alerting parents who might be hostile to a gay child. Pastors, priests, and rabbis might react poorly as well.

Professional counselors may be available without alerting parents. Particularly in the U.S., where everything is about individual rights.

Pastors, priests, and rabbis might react extremely well. Many have had a education in this area, and/or know other clergy who do.

No one will tell them to do whatever feels good.

I have personally seen on C.F. an adult lesbian advise a questioning teen to go ahead and experiment with sex toys and fisting.

Also see questions 3, 5, and 6 in the poll.

 

[Tenebrae]

Professional counselors may be available without alerting parents. Particularly in the U.S., where everything is about individual rights.

Pastors, priests, and rabbis might react extremely well. Many have had a education in this area, and/or know other clergy who do.



I have personally seen on C.F. an adult lesbian advise a questioning teen to go ahead and experiment with sex toys and fisting.

Also see questions 3, 5, and 6 in the poll.

I hope you reported the post.

That is totally not an approriate conversation

 

[Bianca87]

Professional counselors may be available without alerting parents. Particularly in the U.S., where everything is about individual rights

you're funny...
individual rights, such an evil thing...

 

[Bianca87]

Awesome point you make. What do they know about homosexuality and Christianity/monotheism: sexually confused 14yos need only be referred to counselors who tell their patients that it is okay to sin and not obey the teachings of the Bible or Jesus. Also, since this kids parents are against the lifestyle, tell him to break another commandment on top of it.

i belive the help should be given from people who would not act dogmatically, telling the kid there is a right thing to do, a wrong one and that something it's ok and something is not, but would just comfort and inform him, so he can take a more aware and relaxed decision.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Professional counselors may not be available without alerting parents who might be hostile to a gay child. Pastors, priests, and rabbis might react poorly as well.

No one will tell them to do whatever feels good. What they need to know is that things will turn out okay. They need to know that God loves them regardless of whether they are attracted to the same sex or not. They need to know that continued attractions to the same sex are not a sign that they are bound for Hell. Too many kids get told that something must be wrong with them if their prayers to become heterosexual are not answered, conclude that because their prayers haven't been answered God doesn't love them, and kill themselves in despair. They need hope.

Darn tootin'!

 

[ChaliceThunder]

And you don't think professional counselors, or pastor, priest, rabbi, know what they are talking about?

Some do not - some have only their zealous right wing agenda to push on these poor questioning kids.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

I have personally seen on C.F. an adult lesbian advise a questioning teen to go ahead and experiment with sex toys and fisting.
.

Can you cite that post?

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

Awesome point you make. What do they know about homosexuality and Christianity/monotheism: sexually confused 14yos need only be referred to counselors who tell their patients that it is okay to sin and not obey the teachings of the Bible or Jesus. Also, since this kids parents are against the lifestyle, tell him to break another commandment on top of it.

While many pastors are capable of dealing with this issue with sensitivity and most can do at least an adequate job, some will handle the issue very poorly and send the kid on path toward self-destruction. Until I knew more, I could not in good conscience tell the kid to talk to his pastor.

My primary concern in such a situation would be making sure the kid knew God loved him so that he wouldn't kill himself. After that, he will have years to discern God's will for him in his life.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

Professional counselors may be available without alerting parents. Particularly in the U.S., where everything is about individual rights.

Pastors, priests, and rabbis might react extremely well. Many have had a education in this area, and/or know other clergy who do.

Most of the time, a pastor would probably be the best person for the kid to talk to. However, occasionally sending a kid to a pastor could be disastrous. Until I ruled out that possibility, I would wait to send a kid to his pastor.

I have personally seen on C.F. an adult lesbian advise a questioning teen to go ahead and experiment with sex toys and fisting.

Also see questions 3, 5, and 6 in the poll.

I don't see 3, 5, or 6 as equivalent to do what feels good. 3 doesn't say what one is encouraging or what one is informing the kid. Saying, "Things will be okay" is encouraging the kid without telling him to do what feels good. Likewise, 5 doesn't specify what type of website. One that promotes monogamous relationships certainly isn't telling the kid to do what feels good. As for 6, I have no idea what it means by crossing the line.

 

[Mling]

If the kid seems able to appreciate it, I would let him know that our view of our sexuality changes over time and since he's too young to be dating anybody anyway (so this is an issue of personal thoughts and feelings, which aren't anybody elses's business), there's no use freaking out about it now. I would share my own (rather limited) life experiences. Basically, inform/encourange/comfort behind the parent's back. I have actually done so.

 

[BAFRIEND]

I would let him know that our view of our sexuality changes over time

So basically, you would provide minors with information about sexual matters without their parents knowing ? This is your right to do so ?

Your post from the other thread:

I think the father is wrong for imposing his prejudice on his son, and also for badmouthing something his son clearly values, but that is not something I can tell the child--that is a message for the father.

So you give out sexual advice to kids but not moral Christian advice ?

 

[Bianca87]

So basically, you would provide minors with information about sexual matters without their parents knowing ? This is your right to do so ?

from a laic point of view sex is not different than any other thing, so as you woul give a someone tecnical informations about how trains work, so you would do about sex.
i would never talk with my father about sex, maybe my mum, but still parents are not the best people for a kid to talk about sex with.

So you give out sexual advice to kids but not moral Christian advice ?

i would give information, not advice and surely nothing moral, morality is a personal thing.
but, ehi, isn't abstinence a sexual advice?

 

[BAFRIEND]

from a laic point of view sex is not different than any other thing, so as you woul give a someone tecnical informations about how trains work, so you would do about sex.
i would never talk with my father about sex, maybe my mum, but still parents are not the best people for a kid to talk about sex with.

i would give information, not advice and surely nothing moral, morality is a personal thing.
but, ehi, isn't abstinence a sexual advice?

Why don't you go up to some kid while they are with their parents and start explaining about sex and then see if they feel it is no different than talking about trains.

Then you turn around and say you can't talk to your parents about sex ?

YOU SHOULD NOT BE TALKING TO OTHER PEOPLES KIDS ABOUT SEX, PERIOD. IT IS CALLED CROSSING THE LINE.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

BAFRIEND, by that logic, we shouldn't have sex education since it technically does it too. Parents aren't going to talk to their kids about sex. They think it's "embarrassing". But if the kid doesn't learn from an adult, even over the internet, he's going to learn from his peers. And his peers are going to teach him the wrong things. Trying to educate a kid and give him advice isn't crossing the line, and it's impolite for you to accuse someone of that.

Obviously, the kid is too embarrassed to go to his parents. Why on EARTH would you try to tell him he's being terrible to to go talk to his parents when it's obvious that's not what he wants? That's disrespectful.

 

[Der Alte]

Can you cite that post?

It was not recently, I doubt if the post still exists. But I believe that the person is still a member as well as her partner.

 

[Der Alte]

I hope you reported the post.

That is totally not an approriate conversation

I'm pretty sure the person took a little vacation.