What Would YOU Do If . . .?

Gremlins · Dec 30, 2008

Would some people really kick out their kid for something as (comparatively) small as being gay? Do they realise how utterly life-ruining that would be for their child? Do they realise that gay teenage boys who get made homeless have like a one-in-three chance of ending up rentboys just to survive>_> ? Furthermore, do they reaise that the only thing aversion therapy and other 'treatments' acheive is creating mentally unstable, even suicidal, teenagers who are even more miserable than they were before about their sexuality?

Out of interest, angelica (or someone else) what would you do if your kid came up and said 'Mum, I'm not feeding the hungry, I'm not clothing the naked, I'm not visiting the sick or imprisoned, and I'm not sheltering the homeless' or 'Dad, I don't think I love my neighbour as much as I love myself', or 'Guys, I can't forgive someone' ? Would you kick them out then?

Gilyon · Dec 30, 2008

I would never turn out my children, for any reason. If they end up being gay, it would be a complete non-issue for me (being gay myself...). I think that love is unconditional, and the idea of turning out somebody that I love, and refusing to be there for them is unthinkable to me. Even if my child was doing something that I did think was horrible (such as doing hard drugs, or the like) I still would never go as far shutting them out of my life.

As a side note, I have friends that have been kicked out of their homes by their parents due to being gay, and it always makes me sad thinking that they'll never get to experience the unique bond that can develop between parents and their children. It's unfair.

a.d.ivNonasNovembres · Dec 30, 2008

TBH I can't think of anything that would make me kick out my own child, unless they were a danger to someone else in the household I suppose.

OphidiaPhile · Dec 30, 2008

a.d.ivNonasNovembres said:
TBH I can't think of anything that would make me kick out my own child, unless they were a danger to someone else in the household I suppose.

And with that we are in agreement.

angellica · Dec 30, 2008

OphidiaPhile said:
So performing an act of love with someone that you feel that same love for is wrong, that is not logical reasoning. No wonder there are so many gay teens from Christian families that commit suicide.

Giving in to the desires of the flesh without the commitment of marriage is wrong, IMO.

angellica · Dec 30, 2008

corvus_corax said:
She already said it
It's them "being gay" and not thinking it's sinful.
Her POV is that simple and hypocritical.

I don't think it's hypocritical. I wouldn't be openly and proudly living in sin, and I wouldn't allow my children to do so either. I do sin, yes, but I am sorry for it and humble and ask for forgiveness. It doesn't make it okay, but to be in complete defiance of what God tells us is different.

OphidiaPhile · Dec 30, 2008

angellica said:
Giving in to the desires of the flesh without the commitment of marriage is wrong, IMO.

But you are against gay marriage, double edged sword.

angellica · Dec 30, 2008

Gremlins said:
Would some people really kick out their kid for something as (comparatively) small as being gay? Do they realise how utterly life-ruining that would be for their child? Do they realise that gay teenage boys who get made homeless have like a one-in-three chance of ending up rentboys just to survive>_> ? Furthermore, do they reaise that the only thing aversion therapy and other 'treatments' acheive is creating mentally unstable, even suicidal, teenagers who are even more miserable than they were before about their sexuality?

Out of interest, angelica (or someone else) what would you do if your kid came up and said 'Mum, I'm not feeding the hungry, I'm not clothing the naked, I'm not visiting the sick or imprisoned, and I'm not sheltering the homeless' or 'Dad, I don't think I love my neighbour as much as I love myself', or 'Guys, I can't forgive someone' ? Would you kick them out then?

Um, that would not be my fault. I would not force them to do that. If they choose to do so, it's on them.

angellica · Dec 30, 2008

OphidiaPhile said:
But you are against gay marriage, double edged sword.

Right.

OphidiaPhile · Dec 30, 2008

angellica said:
Right.

So they cannot have sex unless they are married but they can never get married so they can never have sex in your opinion, I just cannot wrap my head around that type of reasoning.

cantata · Dec 30, 2008

Angellica, may I have an answer to this question?

cantata said:
Would you really kick out, say, a 13- or 14-year-old child?

Gremlins · Dec 30, 2008

angellica said:
Um, that would not be my fault. I would not force them to do that. If they choose to do so, it's on them.

Well, it would be your fault. There are very few ways a homeless teenager can make money; basically it's steal, beg, or sell your body. As the person who put them in that position (and, if they're under the age of the responsibility in your country), you are, infact, responsible absolutely morally, and perhaps legally aswell.

SiderealExalt · Dec 30, 2008

So they cannot have sex unless they are married but they can never get married so they can never have sex in your opinion, I just cannot wrap my head around that type of reasoning.

It's the screw over thy fellow man reasoning.

OphidiaPhile · Dec 30, 2008

SiderealExalt said:
It's the screw over thy fellow man reasoning.

I think you hit the nail on the head.

SiderealExalt · Dec 30, 2008

The tarnished golden rule the entire family can love!

Do unto others...before they do unto you.

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Aten's Apostle · Dec 30, 2008

Gremlins said:
Well, it would be your fault. There are very few ways a homeless teenager can make money; basically it's steal, beg, or sell your body. As the person who put them in that position (and, if they're under the age of the responsibility in your country), you are, infact, responsible absolutely morally, and perhaps legally aswell.

Gremlins said:
Do they realise how utterly life-ruining that would be for their child? Do they realise that gay teenage boys who get made homeless have like a one-in-three chance of ending up rentboys just to survive? Furthermore, do they reaise that the only thing aversion therapy and other 'treatments' acheive is creating mentally unstable, even suicidal, teenagers who are even more miserable than they were before about their sexuality?

Angellica, given your near-sociopathic and un-empathetic response to the second quote and your obviousness to the moral question of the first quote, I, like many others in this thread, would really like to know how you would answer this question:

cantata said:
Would you really kick out, say, a 13- or 14-year-old child?

Would negligence and abuse be your Christian response to the revelation that your child was the member of a persecuted queer minority?

geekgirlkelli · Dec 30, 2008

Aeris said:
Wow, no offence meant but its that attitude that causes the suicide of so many glbt teens because they cant change how they feel and their parents wont accept them for who they are.

Exactly! Thank you!

I'm not sure how I made it through my life without offing myself. My father would literally do it for me if I came around to his house these days. He's one of those loving Christian parents...

geekgirlkelli · Dec 30, 2008

a.d.ivNonasNovembres said:
I would suspect they already know that I believe that homosexual sex is sinful. I would also suspect that any child of mine would know I don't believe sexual orientation exists.
So since they already know my opinions on the crucial issues I'd probably say something patronising like "is that so dear" before getting back to cooking breakfast or whatever.

Of course if they sincerely want my help or whatever they only have to ask to get it. But I am not good at noticing things like that. I think I'd assume they were trying to get a reaction tbh. After all, the apple does not fall far from the contraversialist tree.

Wow... Talk about denial.

To quote something Christians love to say; "Just because you don't believe it exists, doesn't make it so."

Polycarp_fan · Dec 30, 2008

KCKID said:
I always feel compelled to ask a question of those who are particularly Bible-militant in their stand against homosexuality. Now, we DO know that there are many homosexual people of both genders in the world. This cannot be denied. Furthermore, these good folks are the product of a heterosexual union at least ...whether or not one or other of the parents might be 'gay' or 'bi' or 'straight'. Moreover, any number of these good folks are also the product of Christian parents. Yep, even Christians produce homosexual kids! For instance, I have a good friend (a homosexual) whose parents are devoutly Christian ...whatever that might mean to them.

KCKID said:
So, my question is simply: What would YOU do if your son/daughter came to you and said, "Um (clears throat), mom/dad ...I'm 'gay'?

Obviously, anyone is welcome to respond to the question but I'm particularly interested in responses from some of the 'hardline' anti-'gay' members of the forum. And, please don't say that such a thing is highly improbable simply because you ARE a hardliner. Nature apparently doesn't discriminate between Christian/nonChristian parents when it comes to sexual orientation.

When all else fails, play the emotional card. Huh KID? Not exactly an original position here KID.

Diseases and disorders hit all families alike.

Then I would talk to me child about all the seedy, debauched, depraved, promiscuous and deviant practices of the sexually inflamed, IF, he or she DECIDED, to pursue a life outside of Christian culture and reality of what is proper and acceptable sexual behavior. If you pursue a life defined by your sex life and desires, hardly does happiness abound.

And then I would remind them that marriage, FOR CHRISTIANS, is not obtainable in a same-gender coupling and to use their mind and reason there way out of same-gender sexual desires. It's all about choice for human beings endowed by God with a mind that can think things out. No differrently then if they embraced any other sexually deviant thoughts.

You know, applying Christian truth to the matter.

Thanks for asking KID.

cantata · Dec 30, 2008

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