What would the country be like if Biden won ?

[timothyu]

Maybe Americans are right, and you are wrong.

Time will tell if Corporatism isn't the greater government

 

[The Barbarian]

Time will tell if Corporatism isn't the greater government

So far, the American people have won.

 

[timothyu]

So far, the American people have won.

Ok, by having corporations absorbing everything, dictating the media, food, cyber and pharmaceutical industries, moving jobs and businesses out of country, lobbying governments into total compliance while not representing the people in any way, etc.. Yes.. of course American people have won for now, simply because one president of recent times did not play ball with them..

 

[The Barbarian]

Ok, by having corporations absorbing everything, dictating the media, food, cyber and pharmaceutical industries, moving jobs and businesses out of country, lobbying governments into total compliance while not representing the people in any way, etc.. Yes.. of course American people have won for now, simply because one president of recent times did not play ball with them..

Well, that's a testable belief...

When it comes to pharma donations, Trump was with the elephant in the room
When it comes to pharma donations, Trump was with the elephant in the room

Through the Freedom of Information Act, Knowledge Ecology International (KEI) last week got hold of a number of heavily redacted agreements between the Trump administration and major pharmaceutical companies like Johnson & Johnson, Regeneron, and Genentech.

Five of the seven documents reviewed by KEI are classified as "other transaction agreements," which allow federal agencies to loosen regulations designed to protect the public in order to help companies streamline the product development process.

In the case of four contracts for potential Covid-19 treatments or vaccines with Johnson & Johnson, Genentech, Regeneron, and Roche issued by the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) and the Pentagon, the Trump administration omitted a standard condition requiring that products developed with taxpayer money be made available to the public "on reasonable terms."
'A Scandal': Contracts Show Trump Giving Big Pharma Free Rein to Price Gouge Taxpayer-Funded Coronavirus Drugs

 

[timothyu]

Yet people are saying he didn't do enough at the start of the pandemic? They the pharmaceuticals demanded free reign and the world complied out of fear .. but this is a side track from Corporatism

 

[The Barbarian]

Yet people are saying he didn't do enough at the start of the pandemic?

Trump admitted to Woodward that he lied to us about how bad it was going to be and did nothing. In fact, he told us that it was going to go away "like a miracle" and would soon go to zero.

But yes, Trump was being paid by big pharma. And he repaid them, as you now see.

 

[timothyu]

But yes, Trump was being paid by big pharma.

Find me a politician who isn't

 

[Aldebaran]

Part of me wishes if it is not too late for people to vote Biden instead because trump could start a war and he gets involved with Israel. I don’t like him for that reason getting involved with Israel he should promise not to let them build a third temple. But Biden would be bad for the country I think. But even if abortion is legal people know they shouldn’t have it.

I had the thought that if trump wins perhaps we can learn what is the true gospel if it is the end and we need to know. But is that true ?

but if Biden does not win someone similar to trump will come and get involved with Israel. Is trump really a threat to war ? He should be deposed from office if he can cause a war

maybe the correct thing for Christians to do is not to vote

About 2 years later and we have a good amount of hindsight to answer the topic of this thread.

1. Biden now has us in a proxy war with Russia that has already cost us the same amount of money as Russia spends annually on its own military.

2. We are also on the brink of war with China.

3. We are seeing no signs of biden being deposed from office for either one.

4. Even more money has just been authorized to militarize the IRS.

So far, biden is accomplishing what people feared Trump would do.

 

[timothyu]

So far, biden is accomplishing what people feared Trump would do.

The military-industrial complex is quite happy to be back to the old comfortable system. In their minds Biden made America great again but in his case it has nothing in it for the people.

 

[The Barbarian]

Find me a politician who isn't

But it was Trump who made this sweetheart deal with the pharmacy corporations:

In the case of four contracts for potential Covid-19 treatments or vaccines with Johnson & Johnson, Genentech, Regeneron, and Roche issued by the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) and the Pentagon, the Trump administration omitted a standard condition requiring that products developed with taxpayer money be made available to the public "on reasonable terms."
'A Scandal': Contracts Show Trump Giving Big Pharma Free Rein to Price Gouge Taxpayer-Funded

 

[The Barbarian]

1. Biden now has us in a proxy war with Russia that has already cost us the same amount of money as Russia spends annually on its own military.

That's what Russia's proxies in the U.S. have been telling us. The benefits to stopping an aggressor are worth the effort. BTW, Russia's war budget is so low, because it's economy is in the toilet and Putin has to cut spending to shore up the Ruble. Making this an extremely painful process for Putin will pay off in the long run. Cheaper to give aid to Ukraine than fight the Russians ourselves to defend a NATO ally like Poland. And that is the choice that had to be made.

2. We are also on the brink of war with China.

Were. Gen. Milley stepped in as the Trump administration imploded and assured China that we would not attack them without provocation.

3. We are seeing no signs of biden being deposed from office for either one.

Democracy and rule of law can really be annoying, um?

4. Even more money has just been authorized to militarize the IRS.

Exactly what "militarization" do you think hiring more accountants, computer people, and help desk operators would produce? Be specific, and cite evidence. Would it "militarize" in the sense that people think that police are "militarized" because they got combat equipment, or is it "militarized" in the sense that the IRS will now have the capacity to audit complex returns and large corporations.

Show your evidence.

 

[timothyu]

But it was Trump who made this sweetheart deal with the pharmacy corporations:

It was the world actually

“public-private data-sharing agreements that ‘break glass in case of emergency’. “The necessity to address the pandemic with any means available (plus, during the outbreak, the need to protect health workers by allowing them to work remotely) removed some of the regulatory and legislative impediments related to the adoption of telemedicine”

* “To date governments have often slowed the pace of adoption of new technologies by lengthy ponderings about what the best regulatory framework should look like but, as the example of telemedicine and drone delivery is now showing, a dramatic acceleration forced by necessity is possible. During the lockdowns, a quasi-global relaxation of regulations that had previously hampered progress in domains where the technology had been available for years suddenly happened because there was no better or other choice available. What was until recently unthinkable suddenly became possible… New regulations will stay in place”.

"These come into play only under pre-agreed emergency circumstances (such as a pandemic) and can help reduce delays and improve the coordination of first responders, temporarily allowing data sharing that would be illegal under normal circumstances”

“It is our defining moment” “Many things will change forever”. “A new world will emerge”. “The societal upheaval unleashed by COVID-19 will last for years, and possibly generations”. “Many of us are pondering when things will return to normal. The short response is: never”

All quotes... Klaus Schwab, cofounder of the WEF

 

[The Barbarian]

But it was Trump who made this sweetheart deal with the pharmacy corporations.

It was the world actually

Well, let's take a look:

In the case of four contracts for potential Covid-19 treatments or vaccines with Johnson & Johnson, Genentech, Regeneron, and Roche issued by the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) and the Pentagon, the Trump administration omitted a standard condition requiring that products developed with taxpayer money be made available to the public "on reasonable terms."
'A Scandal': Contracts Show Trump Giving Big Pharma Free Rein to Price Gouge Taxpayer-Funded

Government contracts obtained by consumer advocacy group Knowledge Ecology International show that the Trump administration is giving pharmaceutical companies a green light to charge exorbitant prices for potential coronavirus treatments developed with taxpayer money by refusing to exercise federal authority to constrain costs.

"The government has limited its ability to intervene if the pharmaceutical companies... charge unreasonable prices for the resulting Covid-19 vaccines or treatments."
—Knowledge Ecology International

Through the Freedom of Information Act, Knowledge Ecology International (KEI) last week got hold of a number of heavily redacted agreements between the Trump administration and major pharmaceutical companies like Johnson & Johnson, Regeneron, and Genentech.

Five of the seven documents reviewed by KEI are classified as "other transaction agreements," which allow federal agencies to loosen regulations designed to protect the public...
(same source)

Nope. It was Trump, as you see. The world had no say in the matter.

 

[timothyu]

Nope. It was Trump, as you see. The world had no say in the matter.

Ok, the pandemic only affected the US

 

[The Barbarian]

Ok, the pandemic only affected the US

It just hit us a lot worse than many other places. But some did the Trump "It's going to go away like a miracle" game, and they took the same kind of hit we did.

 

[Aldebaran]

It just hit us a lot worse than many other places. But some did the Trump "It's going to go away like a miracle" game, and they took the same kind of hit we did.

And those who took it "super seriously" and got double-vaxed/double boosted are the ones we hear are getting it: biden (twice), biden's wife, Fauci, etc. Those leading the charge.

 

[The Barbarian]

And those who took it "super seriously" and got double-vaxed/double boosted are the ones we hear are getting it: biden (twice), biden's wife, Fauci, etc. Those leading the charge.

That's a testable belief. They keep records on that kind of thing:

As the new COVID-19 BA. 5 variant is leading to a surge in cases across the country, the bulk of the suffering is falling on the unvaccinated, who are much more likely to get sick and die, data shows.

People ages 12 and older in the US who weren’t vaccinated had a nine-time greater “risk of dying” in May when compared to those who had at least one primary series of vaccines by Modern, Pfizer-BioNTech and Johnson & Johnson, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data.

“People who were unvaccinated had a greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a greater risk of dying from COVID-19 than people who were vaccinated overall,” the CDC website reads.

Of those who received the Johnson & Johnson vaccine and a booster dose, just 0.23 per 100,000 cases led to a fatality between September and May, compared to 1.60 among the unvaccinated.
COVID-19 deaths up to 9 times more likely among unvaccinated

Pretty stiff odds against going unvaccinated.

 

[Aldebaran]

That's a testable belief. They keep records on that kind of thing:

As the new COVID-19 BA. 5 variant is leading to a surge in cases across the country, the bulk of the suffering is falling on the unvaccinated, who are much more likely to get sick and die, data shows.

People ages 12 and older in the US who weren’t vaccinated had a nine-time greater “risk of dying” in May when compared to those who had at least one primary series of vaccines by Modern, Pfizer-BioNTech and Johnson & Johnson, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data.

“People who were unvaccinated had a greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a greater risk of dying from COVID-19 than people who were vaccinated overall,” the CDC website reads.

Of those who received the Johnson & Johnson vaccine and a booster dose, just 0.23 per 100,000 cases led to a fatality between September and May, compared to 1.60 among the unvaccinated.
COVID-19 deaths up to 9 times more likely among unvaccinated

Pretty stiff odds against going unvaccinated.

And yet, it's the "fully" vaxxed we keep hearing about getting Covid.

 

[Thomas White]

Ok, by having corporations absorbing everything, dictating the media, food, cyber and pharmaceutical industries, moving jobs and businesses out of country, lobbying governments into total compliance while not representing the people in any way, etc.. Yes.. of course American people have won for now, simply because one president of recent times did not play ball with them..

Trump? The person that challenged regulation and actively campaigned on deregulating?

 

[The Barbarian]

And yet, it's the "fully" vaxxed we keep hearing about getting Covid.

As you learned, vaccinated people are much less likely to become infected, compared to unvaccinated people. No point in denial; that just a fact. Is it likely that a person who is active in public affairs will be exposed to many more people? Yes, likely so. But that doesn't change the data, which clearly show that unvaccinated people are at a much higher risk of infection and death.

Which of these vaccinated people were hospitalized or became seriously ill? It's possible that I was infected at some point, and never got symptoms. Because I was vaccinated. And as you know, fully vaccinated people are much less likely to get infected at all.

Unvaccinated Americans have died at 11 times the rate of those fully vaccinated since the delta variant
became the dominant strain, indicate surveillance data gathered over the summer by the US Centers for
Disease Control. Vaccinated people were 10 times less likely to be admitted to hospital and five times less likely to be infected than unvaccinated people, found one study that tracked adults across 13 states and cities.1 Levels of protection were lower than were conferred by vaccines offered at the end of spring, the study found. Vaccine efficacy has declined since the delta variant became dominant around 20 June. The decline in efficacy against hospital admission or death was small, but the protection offered against infection has slipped more significantly. From 4 April to 20 June unvaccinated people died from covid-19 at 16.6 times the rate among the fully vaccinated (95% confidence interval 13.5 to 20.4). Between 20 June and 17 July that rate fell to 11.3 (9.1 to 13.9). Before 20 June admissions of unvaccinated people with covid-19 to hospital were running at 13.3 (11.3 to 15.6) times the rate among the vaccinated, but this had fallen to 10.4 (8.1 to 13.3) after that date. Unvaccinated people were infected at 11.1 (7.8 to 15.8) times the rate of the vaccinated before 20 June but at only 4.6 (2.5 to 8.5) times the rate thereafter.
https://infomed.com.ar/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/bmj.n2282.full_.pdf