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What would the country be like if Biden won ?

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by mikeforjesus, Nov 2, 2020.

  1. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

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    Part of me wishes if it is not too late for people to vote Biden instead because trump could start a war and he gets involved with Israel. I don’t like him for that reason getting involved with Israel he should promise not to let them build a third temple. But Biden would be bad for the country I think. But even if abortion is legal people know they shouldn’t have it.

    I had the thought that if trump wins perhaps we can learn what is the true gospel if it is the end and we need to know. But is that true ?

    but if Biden does not win someone similar to trump will come and get involved with Israel. Is trump really a threat to war ? He should be deposed from office if he can cause a war

    maybe the correct thing for Christians to do is not to vote
     
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  2. Fantine

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    The courts will be reformed-- because if they aren't ain't gonna matter who the president or Congress is. They will be petty unelected dictators looking at the Constitution with obsolete and pro-business anti-citizen eyes.

    End the filibuster. Give DC and Puerto Rico statehood.

    Fire Trump's staff. Indict Barr.

    That us what needs to be done to level the playing field before we can move forward.

    Most people say it will take decades to undo Trump's damage, so we need to be bold.
     
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  3. Sketcher

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    If Biden wins, the country will be less free.

    If Trump wins, the country may or may not be less free.

    The Obama foreign policy, which Biden advised, could be summarized as "stir the pot." Wars that actually took place in other countries were encouraged by this policy.

    With Trump, we've seen less of that.
     
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  4. tturt

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    Encourage you to vote pro-life, pro-Israel, against socialism (which would be against Christianity) = Republican platform.
     
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  5. mikeforjesus

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    If I would vote someone I suppose I would still probably vote trump because it seems Biden could be more eager to do bad and also has potential for war and if trump has a choice he can decide not to allow the third temple. Biden could allow it also
     
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  6. Dan1988

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    Israel has been at war since 1948, it's neighbors have all vowed to destroy it. The only reason the war hasn't blown out into all out war, is because the US has stood by it and it's enemies know that the US would destroy them if they attack Israel.
    God promised to bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel, we can see this playing throughout history. All of those empires who sought to destroy Israel have been destroyed themselves.
    Today we see Israel's enemies suffering God's curse, every country which is against Israel is suffering. God blessed the US because it supported Israel, if that changes you can be sure the US will be destroyed.
    If Biden wins, the US will descend into anarchy and fall.
     
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  7. mikeforjesus

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    Yes we should bless Israel by helping them and supporting them and respecting their heritage but we should not take sides and give them greater power to do whatever they want
     
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  8. HTacianas

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    He's been in office for four years and he hasn't started any wars. That's not something someone holds out on until their second term.

    As far as Israel, third temples, etc. go, I'm gonna go with the odds and say none of them are issues.
     
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  9. Bobber

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    I hardly see why you're concerned Trump would start a war there. He has been nominated for 4 Nobel Peace Prizes. They'd never give him one but they knew they had to acknowledge he should have been nominated.

    But if a war EVER did happen.....did all other U.S. Presidents get deposed because a war started on their watch?

    Christians should educate themselves on the platforms of each party an pray to God what he feels they should do.
     
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  10. Sketcher

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    Woodrow Wilson is the closest counterexample we have. He was re-elected in 1916 because he kept us out of WWI, then he entered the war in 1917.
     
  11. look4hope

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    Darn. I wish there were better and clearer options for 2020. I honestly will vote with a cringe. Both suck. As plain as I can explain it.
     
  12. SkyWriting

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    Not at all. He hasn't even begun the damage he can do. One week of recounting will be enough to fix the problem. He is the coming damage to be fixed.
     
  13. timothyu

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    At least with Trump you know what you are getting. That is a plus.

    Here is what is coming down the tubes once he is gone... delayed for the last four years

    These are the words and writings of one Klaus Schwab (Founder and executive chairman of the World Economic Forum).
    Klaus Schwab, a man born and influenced when motherland was deeply into eugenics.

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    “partnerships between businessmen, politicians, intellectuals and other leaders of society to ‘define, discuss and advance key issues on the global agenda’.”

    “the inclusion of stakeholders and the distribution of benefits”

    The Fourth Industrial Revolution: “As human cloud platforms classify workers as self-employed, they are—for the moment—free of the requirement to pay minimum wages, employer taxes and social benefits”

    “Aging is an economic challenge because unless retirement ages are drastically increased so that older members of society can continue to contribute to the workforce (an economic imperative that has many economic benefits), the working-age population falls at the same time as the percentage of dependent elders increases”

    “While it may not feel momentous to those of us experiencing a series of small but significant adjustments to life on a daily basis, it is not a minor change—the Fourth Industrial Revolution is a new chapter in human development, on a par with the first, second and third Industrial Revolutions, and once again driven by the increasing availability and interaction of a set of extraordinary technologies”.

    “Fourth Industrial Revolution technologies are truly disruptive—they upend existing ways of sensing, calculating, organizing, acting and delivering. They represent entirely new ways of creating value for organizations and citizens”.

    “a revolution that is fundamentally changing the way we live, work, and relate to one another”

    “Consider the unlimited possibilities of having billions of people connected by mobile devices... a fusion of technologies across the physical, digital and biological worlds”

    Sensors.... “installed in homes, clothes and accessories, cities, transport and energy networks”

    “Establishing trust in the data and algorithms used to make decisions will be vital,... Citizen concerns over privacy and establishing accountability in business and legal structures will require adjustments in thinking”

    Where it gets interesting...

    * “The tools of the fourth industrial revolution enable new forms of surveillance and other means of control that run counter to healthy, open societies”

    * “As capabilities in this area improve, the temptation for law enforcement agencies and courts to use techniques to determine the likelihood of criminal activity, assess guilt or even possibly retrieve memories directly from people’s brains will increase. Even crossing a national border might one day involve a detailed brain scan to assess an individual’s security risk”

    * “The mind-boggling innovations triggered by the fourth industrial revolution, from biotechnology to AI, are redefining what it means to be human,”

    * “The future will challenge our understanding of what it means to be human, from both a biological and a social standpoint”.

    * “Already, advances in neurotechnologies and biotechnologies are forcing us to question what it means to be human”.

    ** “Fourth Industrial Revolution technologies will not stop at becoming part of the physical world around us—they will become part of us. Indeed, some of us already feel that our smartphones have become an extension of ourselves. Today’s external devices—from wearable computers to virtual reality headsets—will almost certainly become implantable in our bodies and brains. Exoskeletons and prosthetics will increase our physical power, while advances in neurotechnology enhance our cognitive abilities. We will become better able to manipulate our own genes, and those of our children. These developments raise profound questions: Where do we draw the line between human and machine? What does it mean to be human?”

    * “These technologies will operate within our own biology and change how we interface with the world. They are capable of crossing the boundaries of body and mind, enhancing our physical abilities, and even having a lasting impact on life itself “.

    * “active implantable microchips that break the skin barrier of our bodies”, “smart tattoos”, “biological computing” and “custom-designed organisms”

    * “sensors, memory switches and circuits can be encoded in common human gut bacteria”, “Smart Dust, arrays of full computers with antennas, each much smaller than a grain of sand, can now organize themselves inside the body”

    * “Synthetic biology” “the ability to customize organisms by writing DNA”.

    Vaccines today, not to mention viruses... * “animals could potentially be engineered to produce pharmaceuticals and other forms of treatment”

    More profit motivation... * “Researchers have already started to engineer the genomes of pigs with the goal of growing organs suitable for human transplantation”

    * “That it is now far easier to manipulate with precision the human genome within viable embryos means that we are likely to see the advent of designer babies in the future who possess particular traits or who are resistant to a specific disease”

    * “This gives rise to an inequality that goes beyond the societal one described earlier. This ontological inequality will separate those who adapt from those who resist—the material winners and losers in all senses of the words. The winners may even benefit from some form of radical human improvement generated by certain segments of the fourth industrial revolution (such as genetic engineering) from which the losers will be deprived. This risks creating class conflicts and other clashes unlike anything we have seen before”.

    * “the world lacks a consistent, positive and common narrative that outlines the opportunities and challenges of the fourth industrial revolution, a narrative that is essential if we are to empower a diverse set of individuals and communities and avoid a popular backlash against the fundamental changes under way”

    * “It is, therefore, critical that we invest attention and energy in multistakeholder cooperation across academic, social, political, national and industry boundaries. These interactions and collaborations are needed to create positive, common and hope-filled narratives, enabling individuals and groups from all parts of the world to participate in, and benefit from, the ongoing transformations”.

    * “The young generation is firmly at the vanguard of social change. There is little doubt that it will be the catalyst for change and a source of critical momentum for the Great Reset”

    Where Bill Gates and vaccines comes in...* “New approaches are currently being imagined through the combination of Fourth Industrial Revolution technologies, such as nanoparticles and other advanced materials”

    Musk ... * “blanket the planet with communications pathways that could help connect the more than 4 billion people still lacking online access”

    His vision of the future... * “will only come about through improved global governance” “Some form of effective global governance”

    * “Individuals used to identify their lives most closely with a place, an ethnic group, a particular culture or even a language. ... Thanks to the combination of historical migration patterns and low-cost connectivity, family structures are being redefined”

    Control... * “We must re-establish a dialogue among all stakeholders to ensure mutual understanding that further builds a culture of trust among regulators, non-governmental organizations, professionals and scientists. The public must also be considered, because it must participate in the democratic shaping of biotechnological developments that affect society, individuals and cultures”

    * “public-private data-sharing agreements that ‘break glass in case of emergency’. These come into play only under pre-agreed emergency circumstances (such as a pandemic)”

    His newbook new book, Covid-19: The Great Reset... * “a succinct predictive analysis provided to private investors, global CEOs and opinion- and decision-makers”

    * “conjectures and ideas about what the post-pandemic world might, and perhaps should, look like” “The Great Reset”

    * “one of the least deadly pandemics the world has experienced over the last 2000 years” “the consequences of COVID-19 in terms of health and mortality will be mild compared to previous pandemics” “It does not constitute an existential threat, or a shock that will leave its imprint on the world’s population for decades”

    * “There are obviously fundamental dissimilarities between a pandemic and a war (that we will consider in some detail in the following pages), but the magnitude of their transformative power is comparable. Both have the potential to be a transformative crisis of previously unimaginable proportions”

    * “Some leaders and decision-makers who were already at the forefront of the fight against climate change may want to take advantage of the shock inflicted by the pandemic to implement long-lasting and wider environmental changes. They will, in effect, make ‘good use’ of the pandemic by not letting the crisis go to waste"

    * “It is our defining moment” “The societal upheaval unleashed by COVID-19 will last for years, and possibly generations”. “Many of us are pondering when things will return to normal. The short response is: never”

    * "Radical changes of such consequence are coming that some pundits have referred to a ‘before coronavirus’ (BC) and ‘after coronavirus’ (AC) era. ... Many of our beliefs and assumptions about what the world could or should look like will be shattered in the process"

    * “new ways of using technology to change behavior” “The scale and breadth of the unfolding technological revolution will usher in economic, social and cultural changes of such phenomenal proportions that they are almost impossible to envisage”.

    More profit... * “At first glance, the pandemic and the environment might seem to be only distantly related cousins; but they are much closer and more intertwined than we think” “they are global in nature and therefore can only be properly addressed in a globally coordinated fashion”.

    * “This crucial difference between the respective time-horizons of a pandemic and that of climate change and nature loss means that a pandemic risk requires immediate action that will be followed by a rapid result, while climate change and nature loss also require immediate action, but the result (or ‘future reward’, in the jargon of economists) will only follow with a certain time lag”.

    * “The pandemic will mark a turning point by accelerating this transition. It has crystallized the issue and made a return to the pre-pandemic status quo impossible”.

    * “The pandemic will accelerate innovation even more, catalysing technological changes already under way (comparable to the exacerbation effect it has had on other underlying global and domestic issues) and ‘turbocharging’ any digital business or the digital dimension of any business”.

    * “With the pandemic, the ‘digital transformation’ that so many analysts have been referring to for years, without being exactly sure what it meant, has found its catalyst. One major effect of confinement will be the expansion and progression of the digital world in a decisive and often permanent manner.

    * “In April 2020, several tech leaders observed how quickly and radically the necessities created by the health crisis had precipitated the adoption of a wide range of technologies. In the space of just one month, it appeared that many companies in terms of tech take-up fast-forwarded by several years” “the pandemic will fast-forward the adoption of automation in the workplace and the introduction of more robots in our personal and professional lives”.

    * “Consumers need products and, if they can’t shop, they will inevitably resort to purchasing them online. As the habit kicks in, people who had never shopped online before will become comfortable with doing so, while people who were part-time online shoppers before will presumably rely on it more. This was made evident during the lockdowns. In the US, Amazon and Walmart hired a combined 250,000 workers to keep up with the increase in demand and built massive infrastructure to deliver online. This accelerating growth of e-commerce means that the giants of the online retail industry are likely to emerge from the crisis even stronger than they were in the pre-pandemic era”. “As more and diverse things and services are brought to us via our mobiles and computers, companies in sectors as disparate as e-commerce, contactless operations, digital content, robots and drone deliveries (to name just a few) will thrive. It is not by accident that firms like Alibaba, Amazon, Netflix or Zoom emerged as ‘winners’ from the lockdowns”.

    * “The pandemic may prove to be a boon for online education,” “For a while, social distancing may constrain the practice of certain sports, which will in turn benefit the ever-more powerful expansion of e-sports. Tech and digital are never far away!”. “Online banking interactions have risen to 90 percent during the crisis, from 10 percent, with no drop-off in quality and an increase in compliance”. “The combined market value of the leading tech companies hit record after record during the lockdowns, even rising back above levels before the outbreak started… this phenomenon is unlikely to abate any time soon, quite the opposite”.

    * “The pandemic will certainly heighten our focus on hygiene. A new obsession with cleanliness will particularly entail the creation of new forms of packaging. We will be encouraged not to touch the products we buy. Simple pleasures like smelling a melon or squeezing a fruit will be frowned upon and may even become a thing of the past”.

    Job depletion... * “In one form or another, social- and physical-distancing measures are likely to persist after the pandemic itself subsides, justifying the decision in many companies from different industries to accelerate automation. After a while, the enduring concerns about technological unemployment will recede as societies emphasize the need to restructure the workplace in a way that minimizes close human contact. Indeed, automation technologies are particularly well suited to a world in which human beings can’t get too close to each other or are willing to reduce their interactions. Our lingering and possibly lasting fear of being infected with a virus (COVID-19 or another) will thus speed the relentless march of automation, particularly in the fields most susceptible to automation”

    * “The necessity to address the pandemic with any means available (plus, during the outbreak, the need to protect health workers by allowing them to work remotely) removed some of the regulatory and legislative impediments related to the adoption of telemedicine”

    * “To date governments have often slowed the pace of adoption of new technologies by lengthy ponderings about what the best regulatory framework should look like but, as the example of telemedicine and drone delivery is now showing, a dramatic acceleration forced by necessity is possible. During the lockdowns, a quasi-global relaxation of regulations that had previously hampered progress in domains where the technology had been available for years suddenly happened because there was no better or other choice available. What was until recently unthinkable suddenly became possible… New regulations will stay in place”.

    Helping the elite private sector profit... * “In April 2020, just as the pandemic began to engulf the world, governments across the globe had announced stimulus programmes amounting to several trillion dollars, as if eight or nine Marshall Plans had been put into place almost simultaneously”. “COVID-19 has rewritten many of the rules of the game between the public and private sectors. … The benevolent (or otherwise) greater intrusion of governments in the life of companies and the conduct of their business will be country- and industry-dependent, therefore taking many different guises” “Measures that would have seemed inconceivable prior to the pandemic may well become standard around the world as governments try to prevent the economic recession from turning into a catastrophic depression.

    * “Increasingly, there will be calls for government to act as a ‘payer of last resort’ to prevent or stem the spate of mass layoffs and business destruction triggered by the pandemic. All these changes are altering the rules of the economic and monetary policy ‘game’.” “One of the great lessons of the past five centuries in Europe and America is this: acute crises contribute to boosting the power of the state. It’s always been the case and there is no reason why it should be different with the COVID-19 pandemic”. “Looking to the future, governments will most likely, but with different degrees of intensity, decide that it’s in the best interest of society to rewrite some of the rules of the game and permanently increase their role”.

    TA DA !! ... * : “The corporate move will be towards greater surveillance; for better or for worse, companies will be watching and sometimes recording what their workforce does. The trend could take many different forms, from measuring body temperatures with thermal cameras to monitoring via an app how employees comply with social distancing”

    Nanobots ... * “The next hurdle is the political challenge of vaccinating enough people worldwide (we are collectively as strong as the weakest link) with a high enough compliance rate despite the rise of anti-vaxxers”.
     
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  14. Archivist

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    I voted for Joe Biden. I think Trump is dangerous and we need to get him out of office. However, the important thing is that if you have not yet voted, get out today and vote, and I say that no matter who you might be receiving your vote. Remember that men and women fought and died to preserve your right to vote. Go do it. Not happy with your choices for President? There are various state and local offices on the ballot.
     
  15. disciple Clint

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    Fear not Trump will win
     
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  16. paul1149

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    We have a lot to worry about without going too far afield about a third temple. The best defense against the one world government is a strong America, period. America is the last bastion of freedom, and if she goes then the world goes. And the best guarantor of a strong America, economically, militarily, and in every way, is Donald Trump. And on foreign policy he both has been strong and has avoided war. He took out the world's worst terrorist in Iran yet kept us out of war with them (through serious back-channel negotiations). He made historic peace overtures to North Korea from a position of strength. He stood up to China, and was the only one willing to do so. And if he had not, China would soon be an unstoppable evil force on the world stage.

    I believe you are correct that a Biden win would be bad for the country - very bad. We would be handing the nation over to socialists. They would quickly bring on two additional states with senators, and the nation would henceforth suffer one-party rule, as California essentially has, and as China does have. We are perilously close to forever losing our nation's founding principles.

    Re abortion, please don't assume everyone knows they shouldn't have one. The dominant culture continually feeds false information on this, through media, Hollywood, the public schools, corporate interests, and politicians. Many, especially the young, have been duped into doing something they dearly regret later on. Biden and the Democrats insist that abortion should be protected and even funded; many of them assert that it is a positive thing.

    Your vote is important. May the Lord give you wisdom on how to use it.
     
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  17. Jamsie

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    Simple fact is that the next administration will inherit an absolute mess! The next president will receive a gift wrapped debt approaching 28 trillion, a deficit over a trillion a year, and a tax cut program that will in no way address this pending financial disaster. The next president will acquire a country so divided, so filled with anger bordering on hate, and associated vitriol. The next president will acquire a lingering pandemic that will require a reasoned plan of action as opposed to the current plan of reckless dismissal. Perhaps one can hope the next president will restore some sense of trust, and some sense that truth matters. These are just a few of the challenges that lie ahead for the next president/congress...and "we the people".

    One can certainly view voting as only a one issue incentive but they do so by ignoring the multiple issues that critically face this nation. Then again as noted on these boards there tends to be a lack of objectivity concerning the dire tests confronting this great but fragile experiment.
     
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  18. tturt

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    Things couldnt get more dangerous than these US being under Biden with his health problem - since he probably has dementia. Sad for anyone who has it.

    Dr explained progression isn't like a slope but a mix of good days with the bad
     
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  19. Jamsie

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    So what is the excuse for the current situation arising from the past 4 years?
     
  20. Dan1988

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    There's no neutral ground in a war, so you need to take a side. Those who stand in no mans land, get shot in the back.
    The Jews never took land from anyone, they have been in Israel for the past 4,500 years while Palestine never existed until 70 years ago, so the Jews are claiming their land back from the imposters.
     
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