What would it take?!

[Greg1234]

How much energy would you spend telling a man that a 747 cannot be assembled through chance. There have been the attempts to separate God and life and go from there. All that brought about by the mind conditioned to believe that the past is his, that science was ever over religion, rejection of the rest of scientific revelation and the list goes on and on. Till you have a bunch of men utterly engulfed by these doctrines, speaking.

Materialists said they want the human. Dawkins said he would get it for them. There are attempts. Thats all.

 

[3sigma]

That's what I thought.

You really didn't put much foresight into your demands, did you?

More endless evasion. Why hasn’t your God done those things I mentioned before? Is it because it isn’t loving, isn’t omnipotent or isn’t real? Why do continue to behave so evasively?

 

[AV1611VET]

More endless evasion. Why hasn’t your God done those things I mentioned before? Is it because it isn’t loving, isn’t omnipotent or isn’t real? Why do continue to behave so evasively?

Interesting you consider your demands, 'mentionables', isn't it?

Who's behaving evasively?

Okay, I'll speak plainly -- and hope for an answer from you.

Supposed He gives you your demands?

How should He treat abortion?

(I'll be looking to see if you suddenly start talking vaguely.)

 

[3sigma]

Interesting you consider your demands, 'mentionables', isn't it?

Who's behaving evasively?

I’m not making any demands. I’m just asking questions. Why hasn’t your God already rid the world of disease, famine, intolerance, cruelty, violence, injuries and other hardships? Is it because it isn’t loving, isn’t omnipotent or isn’t real?

Okay, I'll speak plainly -- and hope for an answer from you.

Supposed He gives you your demands?

How should He treat abortion?

(I'll be looking to see if you suddenly start talking vaguely.)

Ah, so it is abortions that you call the “American Holocaust”. No, that isn't an overreaction at all. Your God could simply prevent abortions by preventing unwanted pregnancies. After all, Christians claim it is loving, omniscient and omnipotent. It must know beforehand which pregnancies are intended and which will cause anguish and it could easily prevent fertilisation. Why doesn’t it? Is it because it isn’t loving, isn’t omniscient, isn’t omnipotent or isn’t real?

 

[AV1611VET]

Your God could simply prevent abortions by preventing unwanted pregnancies.

Ah -- no wonder you refer to God as an 'it'.

Your god is a condom.

(Does that answer your demands, now?)

 

[3sigma]

Ah -- no wonder you refer to God as an 'it'.

Your god is a condom.

(Does that answer your demands, now?)

Evasion after evasion. I’m not making demands. I’m asking questions that you are constantly evading. Why hasn’t your God already rid the world of disease, famine, intolerance, cruelty, violence, injuries and other hardships? Is it because it isn’t loving, isn’t omnipotent or isn’t real? Why doesn’t your God prevent unwanted pregnancies? Is it because it isn’t loving, isn’t omniscient, isn’t omnipotent or isn’t real?

 

[AV1611VET]

Evasion after evasion. I’m not making demands. I’m asking questions that you are constantly evading. Why hasn’t your God already rid the world of disease, famine, intolerance, cruelty, violence, injuries and other hardships? Is it because it isn’t loving, isn’t omnipotent or isn’t real? Why doesn’t your God prevent unwanted pregnancies? Is it because it isn’t loving, isn’t omniscient, isn’t omnipotent or isn’t real?

Who would you have He conscript to build the Ark II?

 

[3sigma]

Who would you have He conscript to build the Ark II?

Your constant evasions are laughable. Why are you behaving so evasively? Why can’t you answer some simple questions about your God? Why hasn’t your God already rid the world of disease, famine, intolerance, cruelty, violence, injuries and other hardships? Is it because it isn’t loving, isn’t omnipotent or isn’t real? Why doesn’t your God prevent unwanted pregnancies? Is it because it isn’t loving, isn’t omniscient, isn’t omnipotent or isn’t real? Please stop evading the questions.

You appear to be unable or unwilling to answer those questions so instead you could begin by giving us a factual description of your God. Give us some facts about your God that we can check. For example, what size is it, what is its mass, what is it made of? Is it made of matter, energy or fairy dust?

 

[juvenissun]

Well I certainly don’t want to hear waffling excuses so, come on, give us a “very good answer” that clearly and reasonably explains why your loving, omnipotent God won’t do all of those things I mentioned. Is it because it isn’t loving? Is it because it isn’t omnipotent? Or is it because it isn’t real?

Do you accept the knowledge called "theology"? It is a study of God. Your question is fully explained in one of the chapter.

Still interested? You may reject theology all together. Then that will be the end, and your questions became irrelevant.

 

[3sigma]

Do you accept the knowledge called "theology"? It is a study of God. Your question is fully explained in one of the chapter.

Of course I will accept it if it is true. I would be a denier if I didn’t accept something that is true and I would be a fool to accept something that isn’t true. So is this particular chapter of theology to which you refer true or not? Is it factual?

Now please explain why your loving, omnipotent God hasn’t already rid the world of disease, famine, intolerance, cruelty, violence, injuries and other hardships? Is it because it isn’t loving, isn’t omnipotent or isn’t real? Why doesn’t your God prevent unwanted pregnancies? Is it because it isn’t loving, isn’t omniscient, isn’t omnipotent or isn’t real?

 

[AV1611VET]

Is it made of matter, energy or fairy dust?

Unobtainium

 

[3sigma]

Unobtainium

As I thought, your God’s composition is purely imaginary. How appropriate that the Wikipedia article to which you linked notes that it is also called handwavium.

 

[AV1611VET]

As I thought, your God’s composition is purely imaginary. How appropriate that the Wikipedia article to which you linked notes that it is also called handwavium.

Ain't that a bummer?

You do realize that you're exemplifying Biblical Truth when you say you can't find God, don't you?

 

[3sigma]

You do realize that you're exemplifying Biblical Truth when you say you can't find God, don't you?

Will you please stop the evasions and just answer the questions. Why hasn’t your God already rid the world of disease, famine, intolerance, cruelty, violence, injuries and other hardships? Is it because it isn’t loving, isn’t omnipotent or isn’t real? Why doesn’t your God prevent unwanted pregnancies? Is it because it isn’t loving, isn’t omniscient, isn’t omnipotent or isn’t real?

 

[AV1611VET]

Will you please stop the evasions and just answer the questions. Why hasn’t your God already rid the world of disease, famine, intolerance, cruelty, violence, injuries and other hardships? Is it because it isn’t loving, isn’t omnipotent or isn’t real? Why doesn’t your God prevent unwanted pregnancies? Is it because it isn’t loving, isn’t omniscient, isn’t omnipotent or isn’t real?

For one thing, wrong dispensation.

And for another -- (and I can't stress this enough) -- you have no idea what your asking.

Let's say He rids the world of injury.

Now, every time your child disobeys you, whipping him isn't going to do anything.

In addition, thanks to injury, our bodies know when to tell us to back off some activity we're doing.

 

[juvenissun]

Of course I will accept it if it is true. I would be a denier if I didn’t accept something that is true and I would be a fool to accept something that isn’t true. So is this particular chapter of theology to which you refer true or not? Is it factual?

Now please explain why your loving, omnipotent God hasn’t already rid the world of disease, famine, intolerance, cruelty, violence, injuries and other hardships? Is it because it isn’t loving, isn’t omnipotent or isn’t real? Why doesn’t your God prevent unwanted pregnancies? Is it because it isn’t loving, isn’t omniscient, isn’t omnipotent or isn’t real?

You have to accept the validity of theology itself first.
Theology is a knowledge of God. Is it true? This, in fact, is a definition type of question. But you need to accept the definition first.

 

[3sigma]

And for another -- (and I can't stress this enough) -- you have no idea what your asking.
Let's say He rids the world of injury.
Now, every time your child disobeys you, whipping him isn't going to do anything.
In addition, thanks to injury, our bodies know when to tell us to back off some activity we're doing.

Oh why stop at whipping your children when your Bible teaches that your children should be put to death for cursing their parents? As for your second excuse, if there were no injury, we wouldn’t need to back off from activities.

Is this the best you can come up with as an answer to why your God hasn’t already rid the world of disease, famine, intolerance, cruelty, violence, injuries and other hardships? Are you saying the problem is just too hard for your God? Perhaps it isn’t as omniscient and omnipotent as you thought. Is that it? Perhaps your allegedly loving God just doesn’t care about people. Or is it that it just isn’t real.

You still haven’t even given us a factual description of your God. All you’ve done so far is claim it is composed of a fictional substance. I asked you for a factual description. Can’t you even manage that? It is no wonder that we don’t believe your God is real when you can’t even provide a factual description of it? Why on Earth would anyone be credulous enough to believe in something that can’t even be factually described?

 

[AV1611VET]

You still haven’t even given us a factual description of your God.

His description isn't tantamount to what we're discussing.

I've even used your pronoun over Who He is.

Your god is made of latex, polyurethane, or polyisoprene.

Let's get back on track now, eh?

 

[3sigma]

You have to accept the validity of theology itself first.
Theology is a knowledge of God. Is it true? This, in fact, is a definition type of question. But you need to accept the definition first.

Okay, I accept your definition that theology is the study of God, but that doesn’t mean that it is true or that your God is real. People study many things that aren’t true or real. Can you give us a factual description of this God that theology studies?

However, you still haven’t attempted to answer my questions. Why hasn’t your loving, omnipotent God already rid the world of disease, famine, intolerance, cruelty, violence, injuries and other hardships? Is it because it isn’t loving, isn’t omnipotent or isn’t real? Why doesn’t your God prevent unwanted pregnancies? Is it because it isn’t loving, isn’t omniscient, isn’t omnipotent or isn’t real?

 

[3sigma]

His description isn't tantamount to what we're discussing.
…
Let's get back on track now, eh?

We are on track if you will just answer the question. The OP asked what it would take for atheists to believe in your God. The first thing we would need is a factual description of what it is we are supposed to believe in. So, please give us a factual description of this God you believe in.