What would it take for Orthodoxs to come under Pope

Apollo Celestio · Jul 30, 2007

Eh, won't that person side with the jewish, not pretend to be catholic/christian? Either way, both churches should stop yelling outside and start working inside, maybe that will lead you to unity.

HadessahRose · Jul 30, 2007

KjellBjarne said:
...what?

I too ask...what???

Sorry, I forget about the caps..my way of accentuating what I am saying, not yelling...my apologies. Don't be so quickly offended until you find out what my meaning is ok?

Oblio · Jul 30, 2007

When the Pope agrees to be the Patriarch of Rome, and nothing more, then talks can begin.

Oblio · Jul 30, 2007

Either way, both churches should stop yelling outside and start working inside, maybe that will lead you to unity.

Unity for unity's sake is the devils work.

Dogma matters.

HadessahRose · Jul 30, 2007

I disagree...ONLY Jesus matters. IF both sides focused on Him...gee...might help alot of matters all over the board...prots and eo/rcc!

Thekla · Jul 30, 2007

HadessahRose said:
I disagree...ONLY Jesus matters. IF both sides focused on Him...gee...might help alot of matters all over the board...prots and eo/rcc!

It is because Jesus matters that the path to agreement must be "straight"
and careful. As I mentioned in my earlier post, what seem like small differences betray large differences in understanding God, man and salvation. It is for this reason that (both) sides are cautious. A thousand years is yet a small bit of time when compared to eternity.

HadessahRose · Jul 30, 2007

Thekla said:
It is because Jesus matters that the path to agreement must be "straight"
and careful. As I mentioned in my earlier post, what seem like small differences betray large differences in understanding God, man and salvation. It is for this reason that (both) sides are cautious. A thousand years is yet a small bit of time when compared to eternity.

so I guess that means we better start liking each other now huh and start getting along and stop all this stupid fighting? Makes sense to me!

SeraphimSarov · Jul 30, 2007

HadessahRose said:
I disagree...ONLY Jesus matters. IF both sides focused on Him...gee...might help alot of matters all over the board...prots and eo/rcc!

This might be oversimplifying just a bit, but my answer would be that dogma tells us how to focus on Him. I think we can all agree that there are things that some people believe that just do not belong in Christianity, but the question is where the line is drawn. That's where all the disagreements come from... as another example, the Orthodox and many Protestants come to the table with completely different views of where Christian doctrine should even come from. It's unfortunate.

PS - I figured out after the fact that you were probably just using the caps as emphasis, so I was not offended or anything.

Thekla · Jul 30, 2007

HadessahRose said:
so I guess that means we better start liking each other now huh and start getting along and stop all this stupid fighting? Makes sense to me!

liking is not important

only the love that is of God.

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 30, 2007

icxn said:
I think he is referencing this:
One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth followed the beast with wonder. - Rev 13:3

That greek word is used for "slaughter" as in animals or a multitude of people. Interesting the same word is used in the verses:

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Revelation 5:6 and I saw, and lo, in the midst of the throne, and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, a Lamb hath stood as it had been slaughtered/esfagmenon <4969> (5772), having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the Seven Spirits of God, which are sent to all the earth,

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of its heads as slaughtered/esfagmenhn <4969> (5772) to death, and the wound of the death of it was healed, and all the earth did wonder after the beast,

4969 sphazo {sfad'-zo} a primary verb; TDNT - 7:925,1125; v
AV - slay 8, kill 1, wound 1; 10
1) to slay, slaughter, butcher
2) to put to death by violence
3) mortally wounded
4969. sphazo sfad'-zo a primary verb; to butcher (especially an animal for food or in sacrifice) or (generally) to slaughter, or (specially), to maim (violently):--kill, slay, wound.

MezzaMorta · Jul 30, 2007

I dont see it happening, most Christians from Lebanon are Eastern Orthodox and being Catholic is a small minority we see the differences. Both faiths have respect for each other as we come from the same church and both have much of the same rights and traditions of faith, but the differences, mostly small ones are too many for the two churches to come under one set code of dogma. The current relations dont really need any fixing, neither Catholics or Orthodox have hade much comfict in 1000 years of history.

Fireinfolding · Jul 30, 2007

KjellBjarne said:
I'll answer you the best I can here, though you might want to ask in TAW where I can guarantee you will receive the correct answers.

Renouncing Catholicism simply means returning to Orthodoxy. The two are what you would call separate "denominations," basically, though we definitely would not consider ourselves such (what with that whole "one holy catholic and apostolic Church" thing ). There are a few theological points that we feel would need fixing, basically.

What's un-Orthodox about Roman Catholicism? Well, as stated earlier, the main issues that caused the split were the papacy (the bishop of Rome was always the first among equals, not what he is now) and the insertion of the filioque - Orthodoxy condemns the idea that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Son as He does from the Father as heretical. There are plenty of others that have arisen over the years, such as the Immaculate Conception of Mary.

We do not have a pope as do the Roman Catholics. There are a number of autocephalous churches (such as the church of Greece, Antioch, Russia, Bulgaria, Jerusalem, and so forth) and all have patriarchs, but none of them alone are infallible as the RCs claim the pope to be.

Somebody correct me if any of that is inaccurate. Again, visit TAW if you want some really good answers to your questions.

Thanks KjellBjarne,

Man... I'll tell ya though... I sometimes ask to get a clearer picture and end up more confused everytime I will honestly admit Im much like talking to a kindergardner about this stuff.

I can never understand the words used in half these conversations. It's probrobly easier speaking between yourselves huh? There sometimes appears a language of (the ins and outs) of a thing you both commonly share. I think its difficult to understand these things because some of the words appear so foreign (to me anyway). Heck, even I would consider myself as someone who is much more fustrating to discuss these things with because Im so dense regarding the words I dont understand.

... and I get the same type thing online too Theres no hope for me lol because everytime I think I might be getting it I only get confused again LOL

I tend to think I agree with Orthodoxy a little more on certain things.

But I suppose I can do that with any denomination if I look for what I agree with after knowledge alone.

Peace

Fireinfolding

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 30, 2007

Somebody correct me if any of that is inaccurate. Again, visit TAW if you want some really good answers to your questions.

The Ancient Way.
That label has a rather nice "ring" to it.

Oblio · Jul 30, 2007

Better food

[/seriousness]

jckstraw72 · Jul 30, 2007

MezzaMorta, are you a Maronite?

MezzaMorta · Jul 30, 2007

jckstraw72 said:
MezzaMorta, are you a Maronite?

I guess that would be the most appropriate term, though we are Catholic just the same.

Orthocat · Jul 30, 2007

hmmm.....I suppose we would come under the pope if he were standing on the roof of our church.

We would probably make him come down though...

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 30, 2007

Oblio said:
Better food

[/seriousness]

Would that be Greek rather than Italian?

MezzaMorta · Jul 30, 2007

LittleLambofJesus said:
Would that be Greek rather than Italian?

Catholic food is by far the best, Sicilian, Italian, French, Spanish, Brazilian, Mexican... can't say Russian food is that great, some Greek food is alright, but it is mostly just rip offs of Turkish and Middle Eastern food.

What else is Orthodox, like Bulgarian and Serbian or something, don't even know what their food would be.

prodromos · Jul 30, 2007

MezzaMorta said:
The current relations dont really need any fixing, neither Catholics or Orthodox have hade much comfict in 1000 years of history.

Comfict we may not have had, but conflict we have had aplenty, from the sack of Constantinople to the forced conversion of Serbs to Catholicism in Croatia or the Inuit in Alaska.

What would it take for Orthodoxs to come under Pope

Deal with it.

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