What Would Falsify the Flood? (2)

[dad]

-_- sure, why not, the Greek gods are generally terrible beings.

Unless the spirits confessed that Jesus was coming they were deceptive and not of God. Unless they confess today, the same thing applies...that includes spirits speaking through the mouths of people, whether they know it or not.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Unless the spirits confessed that Jesus was coming they were deceptive and not of God. Unless they confess today, the same thing applies...that includes spirits speaking through the mouths of people, whether they know it or not.

Last time I checked, if you committed atrocities, it didn't matter what you believed, you were hell bound. Considering the amount of rape, murder, and overall suffering attributed to Greek gods, I can't imagine that they would have any other fate if both they and the Christian god were real.

 

[Loudmouth]

Jesus rose from the dead according to those writings, . . .

Yes, writings done by men.

and He affirmed it was God! The fulfillment affirm it too! People who try it confirm it also! It works! Like electricity, we can't see it but boy can we feel it, and watch it in action!

Geologists tried to use it, and it completely failed.

 

[bhsmte]

Jesus rose from the dead according to those writings, and He affirmed it was God! The fulfillment affirm it too! People who try it confirm it also! It works! Like electricity, we can't see it but boy can we feel it, and watch it in action!

Yes, people wrote that, you are correct.

 

[dad]

Last time I checked, if you committed atrocities, it didn't matter what you believed, you were hell bound.

News to me. David was a bloody man, yet saved as saved can be. Paul commited atrocities against Christians. He was saved, obviously. Stinkers get saved...that is the name of the game.

Considering the amount of rape, murder, and overall suffering attributed to Greek gods, I can't imagine that they would have any other fate if both they and the Christian god were real.

OK. So any way we shake it, they were not good spirits.

 

[dad]

Yes, people wrote that, you are correct.

God told em to. Writing what is true and witnessed, and known and important is a good thing. Not like simply having it written suddenly means it equals any foolish thing you may want to write.

 

[dad]

Yes, writings done by men.

A semi blind man looking at someone writing a book may not see the pen, or even the Ipad they are writing with. If I was on a phone getting a message from someone dictating a book they wanted me to write, the poor semi blind guy wouldn't see that either. The only bit you can see and want to see of the Scriptures is the little part where men were involved. That only speaks to your ability to perceive, not to the source of the material. Not like you can see God dictating...or not!

Geologists tried to use it, and it completely failed.

They assumed a same state past, and looked in the wrong place for the wrong thing. That speaks to their foolishness.

 

[bhsmte]

God told em to. Writing what is true and witnessed, and known and important is a good thing. Not like simply having it written suddenly means it equals any foolish thing you may want to write.

Uh huh.

 

[dad]

Uh huh.

Right, that is why Scripture is sacred and tested and preserved through time. It has power. The words can bring life.

 

[bhsmte]

Right, that is why Scripture is sacred and tested and preserved through time. It has power. The words can bring life.

Hey, if it works for you, give it all the power you want.

 

[Loudmouth]

A semi blind man looking at someone writing a book may not see the pen, or even the Ipad they are writing with. If I was on a phone getting a message from someone dictating a book they wanted me to write, the poor semi blind guy wouldn't see that either. The only bit you can see and want to see of the Scriptures is the little part where men were involved. That only speaks to your ability to perceive, not to the source of the material. Not like you can see God dictating...or not!

If you are going to claim that God dictated the Bible, then present the evidence. It is not up to us to disprove your unsupported assertions.

They assumed a same state past, and looked in the wrong place for the wrong thing. That speaks to their foolishness.

If the only way that the Bible works is to completely change the fundamental forces of the universe for no other reason that to make it true, then the Bible has failed.

 

[dad]

If you are going to claim that God dictated the Bible, then present the evidence. It is not up to us to disprove your unsupported assertions.

Christians accept God's evidences like Jesus rising from the dead, changed lives, and fulfilled prophesies, and gifts of the Spirit.

If the only way that the Bible works is to completely change the fundamental forces of the universe for no other reason that to make it true, then the Bible has failed.

The bible works on every sphere, and in people's hearts and lives, as well as in history, and nature, etc.

 

[Loudmouth]

Christians accept God's evidences like Jesus rising from the dead, changed lives, and fulfilled prophesies, and gifts of the Spirit.

Those are claims, not evidence.

The bible works on every sphere, and in people's hearts and lives, as well as in history, and nature, etc.

When you have to change every known physical law in order for the bible to work, it really doesn't work. If that were the case, then it could be shown that any myth is actually true because we get to change history and physics to make it work, even when contradicted by mountains of evidence demonstrating otherwise.

The minute that you invented a different state past, you admitted that the bible doesn't work. If the bible did work, you wouldn't have had to invent a different state past.

 

[dad]

Those are claims, not evidence.

The holy and trustworthy men of God of all ages disagree. Those that know prophesy of the bible and are honest disagree. Those that have any gift of the Spirit disagree. Those that have lives affected and changed disagree.

When you have to change every known physical law in order for the bible to work, it really doesn't work.

You kidding? Ho hum..God does that for breakfast. Even miracles are local changes to normal laws. Laws are not even a suggestion to God, let alone a limit! Laws are for men.

If that were the case, then it could be shown that any myth is actually true because we get to change history and physics to make it work, even when contradicted by mountains of evidence demonstrating otherwise.

No need to change the year...2014. No need to change the kingdoms that rose and fell on sue, like little puppets on a stage. Etc etc.

The minute that you invented a different state past, you admitted that the bible doesn't work.

It was never supposed to only work in this state actually!

If the bible did work, you wouldn't have had to invent a different state past.

Maybe God allowed me to deduce it from what He gave us.

 

[Loudmouth]

The holy and trustworthy men of God of all ages disagree.

As you say, men are fallible.

You kidding? Ho hum..God does that for breakfast. Even miracles are local changes to normal laws. Laws are not even a suggestion to God, let alone a limit! Laws are for men.

Prove it. Show us a evidence that any law has changed. Not stories, but real evidence.

Maybe God allowed me to deduce it from what He gave us.

You ignore the world around us, so that can't be the case.

 

[dad]

As you say, men are fallible.

God is not. He used men for many things. He even used godless wicked nations and leaders. They don't matter in the big picture all that much.

Isa 40:15 -Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance:

Prove it. Show us a evidence that any law has changed. Not stories, but real evidence.

If all you look at is present laws, how could you know? If you reject all records and ancient history and spiritual experiences of mankind, and religiously cleave only to present state physical only nature...what can you see?

You ignore the world around us, so that can't be the case.

Nothing needs ignoring. The present state is fine. Just keep things in perspective.

 

[Hammster]

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[TLK Valentine]

Christians accept God's evidences like Jesus rising from the dead, changed lives, and fulfilled prophesies, and gifts of the Spirit.

Which only goes to prove that Christians are fallible like all other men.

 

[dad]

Which only goes to prove that Christians are fallible like all other men.

Not in any way is what all this proves. One must weigh the credibility of witnesses, and events. That is for example why the very year is 2014. It was ridiculously credible. There was no doubt in the leaders of Rome in Israel like Pilate that Jesus existed. Nor with the leaders of Israel. They never questioned the events and miracles. They simply claimed the devildunnit.

The early martyrs never questioned whether John for example was real. Polycarp was a martyr and not only believed in John, but knew him well for example.

"It is recorded by Irenaeus, who heard him speak in his youth, and by Tertullian,[3] that he had been a disciple of John the Apostle.[4][5] Saint Jerome wrote that Polycarp was a disciple of John and that John had ordained him bishop of Smyrna."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarp

 

[PsychoSarah]

News to me. David was a bloody man, yet saved as saved can be. Paul commited atrocities against Christians. He was saved, obviously. Stinkers get saved...that is the name of the game.




OK. So any way we shake it, they were not good spirits.

I don't know about you, but I don't feel that belief should take precedence over actions. I can understand feeling that one must both be a believer and a decent person, but I never found justice in the idea that killers or rapists could evade punishment because of belief.

I never said the Greek gods were good, I don't think they are. Even at their best they are portrayed as cruel, selfish, and cold.