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You took him out of context.david_84 said:Thank you. That is all I was trying to say.
Yes. Exactly right. And Wells went to graduate school under the orders of Moon to be a spy/saboteur. Wells has openly stated that he went to graduate school not to learn truth but so that he could fight evolution! Wells is lucky that, in science, spies are not executed as they are in other situations.Dracil said:BTW, isn't Jonathan Wells a moonie? If you don't know what that is, it's a cult. The Unification Church. I've heard they're quite popular around this area (Berkeley). Even saw one of their poster boards up once. They have mass marriages and their belief includes something about Jesus not finding his perfect wife the first time he was around... The word "moonie" comes from the name of Sun Myung Moon, who believes he's the Second Coming.
I am saying that creationism has been proved wrong. That is what "falsified" means in this context. Shown to be false.
And implying that all the data is made-up isn't going to cut it.
You took him out of context.
yamijoku said:Well to all the people who follow evolution but not trying to offend them:
adolf hitler was the most extreme evolutionist in the history of man kind! evolution is survival of the fittest and he found the Jewish people to be the lowest on the evolutionary chart (what happened to steriotypes?)
If you are extreme when it comes to evolution you are doing things that resemble adolf hitler's ways
Late_Cretaceous said:Creation science is a totally differnt thing then creationism?????
Wow I never new that.
How about teaching alchemy as an alternative to chemistry
No, he wasn't. He was an extreme racist.yamijoku said:Well to all the people who follow evolution but not trying to offend them:
adolf hitler was the most extreme evolutionist in the history of man kind!
Nope. It's descent with modification.evolution is survival of the fittest
And where, exactly, did he get that from evolution? Can you find any reason why evolution would suggest that? In fact, evolution does not see any kind of superiority amongst races, rather affirming that all human beings are descended from the same human stock. Hitler's anti-semitism was a simple hangover from mediaeval anti-semitism which is derived from the Jews' status as deicides in mediaeval Christian thought. Uncomfortably, if you want to find the roots of European anti-semitism, you have to look to the church.and he found the Jewish people to be the lowest on the evolutionary chart (what happened to steriotypes?)
And what exactly does "extreme" mean in this context?If you are extreme when it comes to evolution you are doing things that resemble adolf hitler's ways
So if I use gravity to justify me killing someone (it wasn't me, all I did was give the man a push, gravity pulled him down to earth!) is gravity false?yamijoku said:Well to all the people who follow evolution but not trying to offend them:
adolf hitler was the most extreme evolutionist in the history of man kind! evolution is survival of the fittest and he found the Jewish people to be the lowest on the evolutionary chart (what happened to steriotypes?)
If you are extreme when it comes to evolution you are doing things that resemble adolf hitler's ways
Creationism is the theory that the world was formed in that 144 hour period. Or you can go to the thread "Consequences of Creationism" and see it there.david_84 said:Whoa. From what I know of science and creationism I never would have guessed that that was what you meant. I would honestly be really interested in knowing how that statement can be justified. I don't believe I have ever been told by any evolutionist (theist or atheist) that creation has been proven wrong before. In fact, I have been confronted with the argument that creationism should not be taught as science in schools because science is falsifiable (can be proven wrong) and by it's nature, creationism can not be proven wrong. The basis for creationism is that there is a God who has the power, knowledge/wisdom, and motivation to create the universe and its inhabitants in a 144 hour period as creationists claim He did.
This can be done with any scientific theory. That is, you can try to save any theory from falsificaton by claiming that the underlying hypotheses are not true. In this case, the underlying hypothesis that creationists abandon is that God tells the truth and only the truth. They end up having God deceive us in Creation and only have it look like it happened by how science finds. This may same creationism, but it falsifies God and destroys Christianity. So, even tho, technically, creationism is not falsified, the overarching theory -- Christianity -- of which it is a part is now falsified. Threw out the baby with the bath water.Any time scientific evidence is brought against creationism, its supporters can respond: "God is omnipotent, He could have done it such and such a way."
Moon dust and changing size of the sun were just supporting data. It turns out the supporting data is not valid. No, what falsifies creationism is evidence that simply can't be there if creationism is true. The fossil record with plants and animals not being next to each other falsifies the 144 hour creation you said above. If that were true, then the remains of all plants and animals that ever lived would be mixed together in the fossil record, not separate. The Flood is a way to get around this falsification but it turns out the Flood is also falsified.No doubt that certain claims made by creationists have been proven wrong; those concerning moon dust or the changing size of the sun, for example. But this does not disprove creationism itself.
1. It is natural selection that has the verbal shorthand "survival of the fittest".yamijoku said:Well to all the people who follow evolution but not trying to offend them:
adolf hitler was the most extreme evolutionist in the history of man kind! evolution is survival of the fittest and he found the Jewish people to be the lowest on the evolutionary chart (what happened to steriotypes?)
Indeed, the theories actually achieved refutation. In 1831, in his presidential address to the Geological Society, Adam Sedgwick publicly announced that his own variant of Creationism had been refuted
In this case, the underlying hypothesis that creationists abandon is that God tells the truth and only the truth. They end up having God deceive us in Creation and only have it look like it happened by how science finds. This may same creationism, but it falsifies God and destroys Christianity. So, even tho, technically, creationism is not falsified, the overarching theory -- Christianity -- of which it is a part is now falsified. Threw out the baby with the bath water.
david_84 said:For this I would refer to the popular argument that when Jesus fed the five thousand, the fish looked as if they had lived, been caught, died, and been placed in the basket to be distributed. Obviously, this was not the case but it's doubtful that Jesus was being dishonest by performing that miracle.
First, we appear to have another made up quote. The Scientific American article that Wald wrote was in 1954. It was entitled "The Origin of life" Scientific American vol. 191(2) August 1954.david_84 said:The same has been done by at least one evolutionist:
"I do not want to believe in God. Therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation leading to evolution."-Dr. George Wald, professor emeritus of biology at Harvard, 1971 winner of Nobel Prize in biology.
("Origin, Life, and Evolution," 'Scientific American' 1978)
Not the same thing. The fish were dead and looked dead. In essence what we have are photocopies of the fish. In the Appearance of Age argument we have something completely different. We have a universe that could easily look just like what creationists say it is: young. The only reason to make it look old is to deceive us. In duplicating the fish and bread, Jesus was making copies of something that really had gone thru the process of living, being caught, and dying. Just like photocopies of a paper look like they had been originally composed, edited, and printed on a printer. But the photocopies are still copies and there is no deceit in that. The fish were copies.For this I would refer to the popular argument that when Jesus fed the five thousand, the fish looked as if they had lived, been caught, died, and been placed in the basket to be distributed. Obviously, this was not the case but it's doubtful that Jesus was being dishonest by performing that miracle.
I'm not sure which function you are referring to. Here is a site that has all the muscles of the pelvic area and their origins, insertions, and functions.david_84 said:As for your question about the coccyx (I think that's the correct spelling) I recall hearing or reading somewhere that it acts as an anchor point for certain muscles that serve a very important function. I don't think I need to mention what it is. It was a while ago that I came upon that information so I'll have to see if I can find a source to get that verified.
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