What will become of the Jesuits?

[Benedicta00]

You're right, let's just put some blinders in front of our eyes. But we are after all in the generation of "that's not what my priest in sullivan county is like". How many Jesuits do we need to realise there is a problem with the order? Next thing you know the Franciscans are going to be the hotbed of thomistic philosophy.

That has not been my experience. As everyone pointed out Mitch Pacwa who is running EWTN basically is explanatory and the priest who married me and my husband was a Jesuit and no I saw no problems with him. He’s the one who brought me into the Church.

 

[D'Ann]

That has not been my experience. As everyone pointed out Mitch Pacwa who is running EWTN basically is explanatory and the priest who married me and my husband was a Jesuit and no I saw no problems with him. He’s the one who brought me into the Church.

I'm confused... one side is saying this and another is saying that... I really would like to know what this is all about... Are all Jesuits wrong or are there different societies or branches of the Jesuit priests... or did a few fall away or not... please forgive my ignorance... but I'm really trying to learn about this... Maybe I can google about Fr. Mitch Pacwa... His name is very familiar to me. I've seen him on EWTN and he seems to be a very pure and holy man of God. I like him.

Debbie

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

Original Op quote written by PeterPaul:


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Hi Shannon,

here is what you previously wrote:




Did I and others misunderstand the original OP? Somehow, it seems that the OP was already talking about the SSPX and someone brought up the CPA too...


Personally, I don't know that much about the Jesuits and I was hoping that someone would post some information about them... positive information...


Since others already mentioned the SSPX, I thought that maybe it would be a good idea to clarify what the SSPX is... because I didn't know myself until awhile ago.

I'm not trying to be hurtful or unkind.. only want to protect us from believing non-truths... sorry if I offended you or others... Although, I still would like to know more about the various groups of the Jesuit priests.


Debbie

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There's no offense, I just got a chuckle over the fact that so many 'hot button' topics could be linked together in one thread. That's all....

It's like " I painted my toenails last night, and oh, by the way- we all ought to attend Tridentine Mass, banish the Jesuits, take up issue with the CPA, and make sure we call Protestants schismatics. Would you pass the chips, please?"

 

[D'Ann]

I found this website:

http://www.fathermitchpacwa.org/Ignatius%20Home_content.html

Here is another one:

In Islam and Christianity, a five-part video series, Fr. Mitch Pacwa, S.J. and Daniel Ali give a comprehensive introduction to Islam, presenting the fundamentals of the faith from a Muslim perspective. They explain Islamic beliefs as well as the Koran and Mohammed's Tradition in order to help Christians dialogue with their Muslim friends in a respectful though informed manner. They also cover the do's and don'ts for Christians when speaking with Muslims about their Islamic faith and comparing that faith to Christianity.


Islam and Christianity is an excellent resource for individuals or group studies as well as Churches and Universities. It is also suitable to share with Muslims in order to introduce Christianity to them. Ideal for anyone who wants to understand the beliefs of his Muslim neighbor, reach out to him in love, and fulfill the 'Great Commission'.



Vol 1 - The Life of Mohammed

Vol 2 - Jewish and Christian Influences on Mohammed

Vol 3 - Mohammed and Abraham

Vol 4 - Jesus In Islam

Vol 5 - The Holy Spirit in Islam

Fr. Mitch Pacwa, S.J. received his B.A. in Philosophy and Theology from the University of Detroit, Summa cum laude. Fr. Pacwa then went on to earn his Master of Divinity and S.T.B. from the Jesuit School of Theology of Loyola University, Magna cum laude. He was ordained a Catholic Priest in 1976 and then continued his studies receiving a Ph.D. in Old Testament from Vanderbilt University in 1984. Fr. Mitch has taught at the High School, University and Seminary levels. He has lectured at Conferences and Churches around the world and has appeared and hosted hundreds of International Radio and Television programs.

Fr. Pacwa's fluency in 12 Languages, including Biblical Languages, Arabic, and European Languages, plus his extensive travels throughout the Middle East for over 20 years, have afforded him a unique understanding of the peoples and cultures of the Middle East. In the Year 2000, Fr. Mitch established Ignatius Productions in order to further promote the Gospel through multi-media teaching presentations.
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http://www.crossroadsinitiative.com/resource_info/56.html


I haven't read all of the information... please when we read the info... we should think about the word "Ecumenism"...

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

I'm confused... one side is saying this and another is saying that... I really would like to know what this is all about... Are all Jesuits wrong or are there different societies or branches of the Jesuit priests... or did a few fall away or not... please forgive my ignorance... but I'm really trying to learn about this... Maybe I can google about Fr. Mitch Pacwa... His name is very familiar to me. I've seen him on EWTN and he seems to be a very pure and holy man of God. I like him.

Debbie

Basically what this thread is about- are people who want to claim that an entire religios order has collectively gone astray. Obviously, reasonable people , will find that entire premise just as much hogwash as saying ALL housewives are good cooks. Some are, some aren't. Period. End of story.

There are Orders of Dominicans who are totally and completely faithful to Church teaching, and then there are some who are less so-- which still doesn't indicate the individual holiness of each member.

 

[D'Ann]

There's no offense, I just got a chuckle over the fact that so many 'hot button' topics could be linked together in one thread. That's all....

It's like " I painted my toenails last night, and oh, by the way- we all ought to attend Tridentine Mass, banish the Jesuits, take up issue with the CPA, and make sure we call Protestants schismatics. Would you pass the chips, please?"

Oh... LOL I see what you mean... and please pass the salsa too... So much to learn and I keep finding myself confused and asking questions... LOL

God's Peace,

Debbie

 

[Benedicta00]

Fifth I'm getting feed up with the holy then thou attidtue of posters on this board specaily when it goes to the extent that its consider proper to accuse and judge even priests.

Ironically enough Aaron, if they do not get a hold of themselves, they are going to become what they hate the most.

For the life of me I never understood how those who complain about the problems in the Church don’t see what they’re doing as the very thing they complain about.

Let providence handle this. The Church will not be over taken by anyone. Geeze.

 

[D'Ann]

Basically what this thread is about- are people who want to claim that an entire religios order has collectively gone astray. Obviously, reasonable people , will find that entire premise just as much hogwash as saying ALL housewives are good cooks. Some are, some aren't. Period. End of story.

There are Orders of Dominicans who are totally and completely faithful to Church teaching, and then there are some who are less so-- which still doesn't indicate the individual holiness of each member.

Thank you. That makes sense... especially, since I'm one of the wives who don't cook... well, sometimes, but nothing fancy... Anyway, thank you for this clarification. I still feel that no matter what, we need to pray for everyone... that is the most loving and caring gift that we can give to them.

God's Peace,

Debbie

 

[D'Ann]

Ironically enough Aaron, if they do not get a hold of themselves, they are going to become what they hate the most.

For the life of me I never understood how those who complain about the problems in the Church don’t see what they’re doing as the very thing they complain about.

Let providence handle this. The Church will not be over taken by anyone. Geeze.

Good point... thanks.

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

I still feel that no matter what, we need to pray for everyone... that is the most loving and caring gift that we can give to them.

Yes!!!

 

[D'Ann]

As for the CPA, exactly how are we tolerating it?

Should the Vatican invade China and put down this puppet church established by the Chinese government?

Good question. Don't have the answer... Don't think tolerance is the right word...

One thing for sure, we should pray for the underground Catholic church... and we should pray for those who attend the CPA... searching for truth and hope and faith...

 

[Benedicta00]

I'm confused... one side is saying this and another is saying that... I really would like to know what this is all about... Are all Jesuits wrong or are there different societies or branches of the Jesuit priests... or did a few fall away or not... please forgive my ignorance... but I'm really trying to learn about this... Maybe I can google about Fr. Mitch Pacwa... His name is very familiar to me. I've seen him on EWTN and he seems to be a very pure and holy man of God. I like him.

Debbie

To be honest, I don’t how I forgot this but actually, Loyal university here in New Orleans has become a problem with the liberal agenda. I just posted a story recently how they were honing a native “Catholic” political family that includes US Senator May Landruie. They were honoring their father who was the Mayor years ago and he two siblings, Landruie and her brother, a local politician here are pro death as you can be. Mary Landrue has flip flopped more than Kerry on the issue and the university was honoring them.

In the past they have hosted a few pro death speakers and the faithful has protest the sessions but the good news is, our bishop is doing something about it. He refused to attend the ceremony where they honored the pro death family and he is in dialogue with the university about the problems with liberalism. The school is known for law here so I can only imagine what is coming out of that school.

The deal is, this is a problem we are having with the university who is run both by secular people and Jesuits priests. It is not something we should condemn the whole order over.

 

[D'Ann]

To be honest, I don’t how I forgot this but actually, Loyal university here in New Orleans has become a problem with the liberal agenda. I just posted a story recently how they were honing a native “Catholic” political family that includes US Senator May Landruie. They were honoring their father who was the Mayor years ago and he two siblings, Landruie and her brother, a local politician here are pro death as you can be. Mary Landrue has flip flopped more than Kerry on the issue and the university was honoring them.

In the past they have hosted a few pro death speakers and the faithful has protest the sessions but the good news is, our bishop is doing something about it. He refused to attend the ceremony where they honored the pro death family and he is in dialogue with the university about the problems with liberalism. The school is known for law here so I can only imagine what is coming out of that school.

The deal is, this is a problem we are having with the university who is run both by secular people and Jesuits priests. It is not something we should condemn the whole order over.

Thanks Shelb5... I won't condemn the whole order... I'll pray for them with all of my heart. I'm grateful that your bishop is refusing to attend the ceremony of these pro-death culture family. I will pray for this family too... I'm not sure what else that I can do... thank you again.

Debbie

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

As has been said, I think it's important to draw a line between recognising heresy in the Order and condemning the whole Order. I think the entire premise that an Order can be considered schismatic because some of the members are heretics is simply wrong.

I think again we should draw a line between defending good Jesuits and ignoring the heresy in the Society.

As with most things in Catholicism we ought to employ the middle way. We're not Arians but we're not Sabellianists. We're not Nestorianists but we're not Monophysites. (Article to explain how I know this groups and what they stand for )

Similarly we're not to condemn all Jesuits based on some heretical ones but we're not to go to the other extreme of ignoring heresy in the Society to vindicate some Jesuits.

Rant over.

Pax

 

[Michelina]

It would be terribly unfair to tar the whole order with a broad brush. There have been many heterodox Jebbies but there have also been many faithful and orthodox Catholic priests among them. Sometimes the "wrong" people would become major Superiors and they would make life very difficult for the Orthodox.

A case in point: Fr. Vincent Miceli, the great apostle of orthodoxy, who was close friend of Pope JPG. His superiors made it almost impossible for him to exercise his apostolate and eventually drove him out of the order. Fr. M explained his position to the Pope, who reluctantly accepted his resignation. This helped precipitate the Pope's intervention in the General Congregation of the Jesuits and the 'election' of Fr. P-H von Kolvenbach who will serve as General for life. He is gradually turning the order around. But it will take time.

 

[Miss Shelby]

Jebbies? I thought their informal name was "Jessies"... according to my late FIL, at least.

*this comment was meant all in good fun and I meant no disrespect to the members of the Society of Jesus

 

[Michelina]

Jebbies? I thought their informal name was "Jessies"... according to my late FIL, at least.

*this comment was meant all in good fun and I meant no disrespect to the members of the Society of Jesus

Thay have a lot of nicknames, Michelle. They have also been called Jebusites.

 

[Miss Shelby]

Thay have a lot of nicknames, Michelle. They have also been called Jebusites.

hehe.. I like that one.

Michelle

 

[Miss Shelby]

In any event you reminded me of late fil and for that you get a big hug.

 

[Irish Melkite]

Shannon,

Looking back at the original post, it seems to me that the OP was using the Jesuits as a scapegoat to mitigate the Church's stance with regard to the SSPX - (which is how the two got tied together in the thread). Well, he obviously succeeded with his agenda.

Many years,

Neil