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belladonic-haze said:Yes, my Dad was in the US army and he still suffers from nightmares and the horrors he saw......why did you ask? I am against war, violence is never ever the solution!
Driver said:There is far more evidence that Israel and the Bush Administration are responsible for 9/11 than the Arabs. The Arabs, if anything, were just set up as patsies.
Their seeking of "another Pearl Harbor" is seen by many as another smoking gun, as David Ray Griffin's lecture suggests.
kisstheson said:Jesus said in Luke 22:35-38. "Let him who has no sword buy one."
The disciples replied "Lord here are two."
Jesus said "It is enough."
It's His house.Sometimes the right thing to do is use force in fighting evil. When Jesus clensed the temple He actually made a whip with cords and used it. He was taking a stand against evil and certainly wasn't acting peaceful.
Straw man. That's not what pacifists are saying. Can you imagine non-lethal ways to intervene? There's your answer.If you saw a child being raped on a street corner are you going to stand there and say "let's peacefully nogotiate."
I'm more concerned about Bush taking away democracy than the Arabs.kisstheson said:Well when all the luxuaries that democracy has given you is taken away and their lining up to kill the infidels maybe you can give David Ray Griffin a call.
kisstheson said:Does anyone here actually like war?
Did America want to get involved in WWII? We wanted to remain in our own country. Ignorance is bliss, so the saying goes. That is until the Japanese attacked us at Pearl Harbor.
If these nations had their way, Germany's Hitler for one, we probably wouldn't be typing comfortably in our homes arguing about Israel
There will be no Christianforums if the Islamic Fundies rule the world.
What is Israel? A democracy!
Israel is a friend of democracy.
Jesus said in Luke 22:35-38. "Let him who has no sword buy one." The disciples replied "Lord here are two."
Jesus said "It is enough.
Isn't it great to live in comfort and freedom off the backs of those who sacificed their lives and fought that you could type Christian scriptures at this forum? Do you believe you could do that if this country was ruled by the Isamic powers who hate Israel, America gang? That will never happen here? If it happens in Israel, it can happen here. We all never thought planes would bring down the World Trade Center. Just like WWII the same mind set and then America had a rude awakening on December 7th,1941.
Poke said:Yes, most supporters of Israel actually like war.
Poke said:Yes, most supporters of Israel actually like war.
Ivy said:Most supporters of Israel like peace, and would like the Jewish people to have the opportunity to live their lives in peace.
Most supporters of radical Islam like war, which is evidence by the 2000 rocket attacks to this date launched by Hizbollah.
Poke said:Let's see you support that claim.
Ivy said:This war is an effort to dismantle Hizbollah, who are a hazard to us all.
Sorry, Driver quoted Scripture "essed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. Matthew 5:9"Eryk said:You agree with what?No, I don't.
Driver said:There is far more evidence that Israel and the Bush Administration are responsible for 9/11 than the Arabs. The Arabs, if anything, were just set up as patsies.
Poke said:Yes, most supporters of Israel actually like war.
The US provoked Japan to attack Peal Harbor. Japan was in a war with China. The US was trying to make Japan lose the war by choking off supplies to Japan using the ships as Pearl Harbor. If the US had really stayed out of it, what probably would have happened: No Peal Harbor attack. No US troops killed in Japan. No nukes needed. No Communism takeover of China (and all the evils that brought).
I have no fear of Islamic Fundies ruling the world.
It's hardly a democracy when the laws of the nation are designed to keep one race in power.
If Israel had its way, there would be no ChristianForums. As it is, the country only now barely tolerates Christians. Imagine if they didn't feel the need of Christian funds to stay in business.
ArJay81 said:Conspiracy theories dishonor all who support them.
Do you have any facts to support your assertions?
Step up, or step off.
There is absolutely no credible evidence that Israel or the US was behind the attacks of 9/11.
Think about it this way: the crew that gave us the Iraq war planning was somehow capable of carrying out a plan to destroy the World Trade Center?
ArJay81 said:There is absolutely no credible evidence that Israel or the US was behind the attacks of 9/11.
This is untrue.
Funny that no historian has ever been able to show the assertions you make here.
Also funny that no historian has ever made the assertion period.
Can you support this assertion in any way?
The Arabs have the right to vote in Israel.
Can Jews or Christians claim the same thing in Arab nations?
Israel has opened itself up to Christians more than the land was open to Christians under Islamic rule.
yes?TULC,
Sure I'm a member of the body of Christ, bought and paid for by the blood of Christ, I worship as part of a Covenent Church, and have lived as a member of a Christian commune for almost 30 years.Are you a member of a church?
see aboveIf so, what Church?
tulc(those should all be lower case by the way)Gordon
Poke said:Driver seems to be going a bit far on the 9/11 claim. But, it's rather obvious to anyone familiar with the evidence that Israel knew it was going to happen but didn't warn US authorities. For example, terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui had been using Nick Berg's email account and password before 9/11. How do you explain that? Nick Berg was a jew, and a frequent traveler to Israel who for some reason was in Iraq right after the invasion, where he managed to get himself beheaded. Theres a great deal of evidence that makes Israel look guilty of something.
It would help both you and me if you wrote in complete thoughts.
I said zionists like war. You say it's untrue. The painful contortions of zionists to rationalize war contradict you. Your words ring hollow.
I could give you proof, but you would rationalize everything to being justification for war (which is what people who like war should be expected to do.)
Bush's blatant WMD lies that you would deny were lies? Israel starting a war that has already killed nearly a 1000 people and caused billions in damage, over a little Hezbollah attack on some Israeli troops who were in Lebanon.
What I said is history 101. It's not at all controversial, just because you don't know history.
You should acquire basic familiarity with issues that you wish to debate over. I said Israeli laws are designed to keep one race in power. That doesn't mean Arabs are not allowed to vote.
One of Israel's better known laws is called the Right of Return. This means that any racial jew (who is not a Christian) in all the world is given automatic citizenship to Israel. However, Arabs are not allowed a right of return, including those Israel had displaced from Israel. Israel even bans from Israel Arab spouses of Jews who are Israeli citizens.
So much for the Arab right to vote.
In Saddam's Iraq, Christians and Muslims were equal under the law.
Israel is opened up to US tourist dollars. What makes you think Israel doesn't hate America and Christians? Why is it if a jew kills someone in the US and flees to Israel, Israel refuses to return the criminal. And, please, spare me the demand for "proof". You can dig up the facts on your own. You can tell me what is it that makes you think Israel is so Christian friendly.
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