MJ Only What was the purpose of cleaning out the Chametz?

[pinacled]

Not to be a distraction but just a couple of quick questions.... doesn't Passover start on March 30th at sunset, not the 31st?
Also, do you all eat tortillas during the week of unleavened bread?

Oh, it is a very special yr this yr.
Looking forward to seeing the fierceness of the stars brilliance piercing the vaults with a colorfull display.
All you will need to bring is your arms raised in Praise.

 

[pinacled]

Please note this is for MJ's only. Other posts will be deleted.

So, thinking about the coming Passover as I like to get as much a head start as possible and the older I get the more time I need! This year It starts on April Fools day not that I find that significant but it goes from 1st to 8th of April (starting on March 31st at sundown).

Anyway I was wondering if any of our members here have ever thought about 'why' all the leavened foods must be removed from the domicile?

Was it not enough to forbid eating it but also the need to have it removed from your dwelling place?

Was it to be done the way it is today, with no crumb left at all?

What about if a mouse sneaks into your house with a bit of bagel he found outside the house? I know you're to burn it but what if it came from one of your gentile neighbors?

And yeast really can't be removed from most places as it is an animal and organism that floats in the air.

And the commandment isn't just to remove the leavened bread but to eat unleavened bread for seven days. So you can't get away with just not eating bread for a week.

Was the removal of the bread to make sure it wasn't handy for anyone to eat? Or was its' presence a problem also?

In this passage there are two commandments

1.Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; (This is a possitive one to eat Matzah)

2.even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses:
for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.

sorry to interupt you thread lulav.
i just have a question about the mj. only tag.
Shouldnt this thread topic be more specific.
As in, mj, women only?

 

[Lulav]

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Isn't it generally understood that the timeline from the first celebration of Passover-Unleavened Bread in the wildreness to the next Passover celebration wasn't until 39 years later when the Israelites entered the Promised Land.

Yes, they celebrated the 1st anniversary of leaving Egypt and then not again until when they entered the land. It is said because G-d did not ask them too. So the interim bread would be the manna and that served it's purpose too, just year round.

What do you eat - just the crisp matza for the entire week of unleavened bread?
What do you think about this recipe for unleavened flatbread that I sometimes make?
2 cups flour
1 teasp salt
1 tablespoon oil
1 cup water
Mix it up, let it rest for 10 minutes, roll it out into 12 rounds. Cook them in a very hot skillet with no oil.
Would these be okay for the week of unleavened bread? Did God specify a bunch of rules for making unleavened bread?

Better to make smaller batches and not let it rest. If you can get it baked under 18 minutes from wetting it to oven then it should be fine.

For bread, yes, I strictly eat the matzah labeled kosher for passover. Not only does God prohibit any leavening (and even with just flour and water bread can leaven if it is not baked right away at a very high temperature) but the rabbis (the elders/judges as per Deuteronomy 17) have ruled specifically on what is kosher for passover so that there is no doubt where the boundaries are.

Sad to say but they've made it very difficult for those with the genetic disease of Ceoliac.

I eat Gluten free matzah but it isn't K4P.

 

[Rachel Rachel]

Yes, they celebrated the 1st anniversary of leaving Egypt and then not again until when they entered the land. It is said because G-d did not ask them too. So the interim bread would be the manna and that served it's purpose too, just year round.

Better to make smaller batches and not let it rest. If you can get it baked under 18 minutes from wetting it to oven then it should be fine.

Sad to say but they've made it very difficult for those with the genetic disease of Ceoliac.

I eat Gluten free matzah but it isn't K4P.

That is what I was thinking, too. If I cut the recipe in half and don't let it rest, I see no reason why it wouldn't be okay for the week of unleavened bread. It's an easy flatbread to make and it's quite good. You can use them for sandwiches, too. A week of crisp matzah is hard to do.

 

[Open Heart]

Sad to say but they've made it very difficult for those with the genetic disease of Ceoliac.

I eat Gluten free matzah but it isn't K4P.

Sounds good to me. It's the closest you can come to keeping the law, and Halakha demands that we break the law to save a life.

Much better than some of the other suggestions.

 

[Rachel Rachel]

Sounds good to me. It's the closest you can come to keeping the law, and Halakha demands that we break the law to save a life.

Much better than some of the other suggestions.

I thought some of the other suggestions were great. Why should we have to eat crackers for a week? Yeshua chastised the Pharisees for their stringent rules. Remember the handwashing conversation he had with them?

 

[BukiRob]

I thought some of the other suggestions were great. Why should we have to eat crackers for a week? Yeshua chastised the Pharisees for their stringent rules. Remember the handwashing conversation he had with them?

Stick with what scripture says and be dubious of the traditions of man. Nothing wrong with traditions if they don't openly contradict scripture. Nothing in scripture says we must observe the festival of lights (Hannuka) yet we see a glimpse that Yeshua seems to have participated (John 10:22)

If it is not leavened it is not violating the decree to abstain from all leaven

 

[Open Heart]

I thought some of the other suggestions were great. Why should we have to eat crackers for a week?

Because i.e. regular flatbread like pita is leavened. Matza is a flatbread which is not leavened. Even if all you have is flour and water, if you don't cook it fast and at the right temp, it will leaven. Here are a bunch of recipes if you want to make your own bread. They look yum! Some of them include milk or cheese, so remember not to eat them with meat products if you are trying to stay kosher. Bon appetite!

http://www.nazareneisrael.org/articles/calendar/unleavened-bread-recipes/

 

[Steve Petersen]

Leaven as Sin

 

[Open Heart]

Nothing wrong with traditions if they don't openly contradict scripture.

Au contraire mon ami. In Deuteronomy 17:8-13 God grants authority to the Levites and judges (rabbis) to interpret the law. This authority is so extreme that anyone who defies God and disrespects their authority is to be killed.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Au contraire mon ami. In Deuteronomy 17:8-13 God grants authority to the Levites and judges (rabbis) to interpret the law. This authority is so extreme that anyone who defies God and disrespects their authority is to be killed.

and there is this:

Matthew 23:1 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do,

 

[Rachel Rachel]

Because i.e. regular flatbread like pita is leavened. Matza is a flatbread which is not leavened. Even if all you have is flour and water, if you don't cook it fast and at the right temp, it will leaven. Here are a bunch of recipes if you want to make your own bread. They look yum! Some of them include milk or cheese, so remember not to eat them with meat products if you are trying to stay kosher. Bon appetite!

http://www.nazareneisrael.org/articles/calendar/unleavened-bread-recipes/

Yes, we discussed the need to cook it quickly. "Regular flatbread" is among the recipes in your approved list. I don't make pita.
My daughter has Ulcerative Colitis and is lactose intolerant, though, so I'm pretty limited.

 

[Rachel Rachel]

Au contraire mon ami. In Deuteronomy 17:8-13 God grants authority to the Levites and judges (rabbis) to interpret the law. This authority is so extreme that anyone who defies God and disrespects their authority is to be killed.

And yet Yeshua told the Pharisees that the ritual hand washing was unnecessary. Go figure...

 

[Open Heart]

And yet Yeshua told the Pharisees that the ritual hand washing was unnecessary. Go figure...

No he didn't. In fact, Jesus and some of his disciples washed his hands. It was only some of his disciples that did not. Jews should follow Jesus' example.

 

[Open Heart]

Yes, we discussed the need to cook it quickly. "Regular flatbread" is among the recipes in your approved list. I don't make pita.
My daughter has Ulcerative Colitis and is lactose intolerant, though, so I'm pretty limited.

Got it.

 

[Rachel Rachel]

No he didn't. In fact, Jesus and some of his disciples washed his hands. It was only some of his disciples that did not. Jews should follow Jesus' example.

Matthew 15 Some Pharisees and other Jewish leaders now arrived from Jerusalem to interview Jesus.

2 “Why do your disciples disobey the ancient Jewish traditions?” they demanded. “For they ignore our ritual of ceremonial handwashing before they eat.” 3 He replied, “And why do your traditions violate the direct commandments of God? 4 For instance, God’s law is ‘Honor your father and mother; anyone who reviles his parents must die.’ 5-6 But you say, ‘Even if your parents are in need, you may give their support money to the church instead.’ And so, by your man-made rule, you nullify the direct command of God to honor and care for your parents. 7 You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you,8 ‘These people say they honor me, but their hearts are far away. 9 Their worship is worthless, for they teach their man-made laws instead of those from God.’”

10 Then Jesus called to the crowds and said, “Listen to what I say and try to understand:11 You aren’t made unholy by eating nonkosher food! It is what you say and think that makes you unclean.”

12 Then the disciples came and told him, “You offended the Pharisees by that remark.”

13-14 Jesus replied, “Every plant not planted by my Father shall be rooted up, so ignore them. They are blind guides leading the blind, and both will fall into a ditch.”

15 Then Peter asked Jesus to explain what he meant when he said that people are not defiled by nonkosher food.

16 “Don’t you understand?” Jesus asked him. 17 “Don’t you see that anything you eat passes through the digestive tract and out again? 18 But evil words come from an evil heart and defile the man who says them. 19 For from the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, lying, and slander. 20 These are what defile; but there is no spiritual defilement from eating without first going through the ritual of ceremonial handwashing!”

 

[Open Heart]

Matthew 15 Some Pharisees and other Jewish leaders now arrived from Jerusalem to interview Jesus.

2 “Why do your disciples disobey the ancient Jewish traditions?” they demanded. “For they ignore our ritual of ceremonial handwashing before they eat.” 3 He replied, “And why do your traditions violate the direct commandments of God? 4 For instance, God’s law is ‘Honor your father and mother; anyone who reviles his parents must die.’ 5-6 But you say, ‘Even if your parents are in need, you may give their support money to the church instead.’ And so, by your man-made rule, you nullify the direct command of God to honor and care for your parents. 7 You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you,8 ‘These people say they honor me, but their hearts are far away. 9 Their worship is worthless, for they teach their man-made laws instead of those from God.’”

10 Then Jesus called to the crowds and said, “Listen to what I say and try to understand:11 You aren’t made unholy by eating nonkosher food! It is what you say and think that makes you unclean.”

12 Then the disciples came and told him, “You offended the Pharisees by that remark.”

13-14 Jesus replied, “Every plant not planted by my Father shall be rooted up, so ignore them. They are blind guides leading the blind, and both will fall into a ditch.”

15 Then Peter asked Jesus to explain what he meant when he said that people are not defiled by nonkosher food.

16 “Don’t you understand?” Jesus asked him. 17 “Don’t you see that anything you eat passes through the digestive tract and out again? 18 But evil words come from an evil heart and defile the man who says them. 19 For from the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, lying, and slander. 20 These are what defile; but there is no spiritual defilement from eating without first going through the ritual of ceremonial handwashing!”

Right. Jesus replied to a totally different issue than the washing of hands. He never recommended not washing hands. Indeed, the Pharisees don't accuse Jesus of not washing his hands. I follow Jesus' example.

 

[Rachel Rachel]

Right. Jesus replied to a totally different issue than the washing of hands. He never recommended not washing hands. Indeed, the Pharisees don't accuse Jesus of not washing his hands. I follow Jesus' example.

Huh???
You're spinning, OH!! Read the last paragraph again...

 

[Open Heart]

Huh???
You're spinning, OH!! Read the last paragraph again...

He says that not washing your hands doesn't defile the food. Any Jew knows that. It's not the same thing as recommending you not wash your hands! Otherwise, why would Yeshua wash his hands?

 

[Rachel Rachel]

He says that not washing your hands doesn't defile the food. Any Jew knows that. It's not the same thing as recommending you not wash your hands! Otherwise, why would Yeshua wash his hands?

No.... it's about ritual, such as all the ritual involved in kosher for Passover matzah. One only needs to follow God's rather simple rules for unleavened bread.