what was the light on the first day?

[Yarddog]

so when God says "Let there be light" he is instructing the Word to come into the world?

Genesis is full of allegories and prophesy. John gives us a great big clue when he opens his Gospel with the same three words as Genesis. "In the beginning". Genesis isn't as much about the beginning of the universe but about Jesus Christ "The Light" coming into the world. Prophesy.

 

[DamianWarS]

Genesis is full of allegories and prophesy. John gives us a great big clue when he opens his Gospel with the same three words as Genesis. "In the beginning". Genesis isn't as much about the beginning of the universe but about Jesus Christ "The Light" coming into the world. Prophesy.

if the creation account foreshadows Christ how do the other days fit?

 

[Yarddog]

if the creation account foreshadows Christ how do the other days fit?

Not sure how each day fits but many of the items such as the greater and lesser light are the New and Old Testament. If one thinks of the sun and moon, the moon produces no light of its own but reflects the sun's light. The many different creatures are the Gentiles just as in Peter's vision. The sixth day is the day we all celebrate, Good Friday. The day when God, Jesus Christ has finished all of the works which the Father has given him to accomplish and as John's Gospel tells as Jesus is about to die he says, "It is finished".
Genesis 2 then gives us another allegory, the 2nd creation story. All of God's children have two creations. We are born of water and then we have our new creation which only God can bring us. Created righteous, Eden.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Genesis is full of allegories and prophesy. John gives us a great big clue when he opens his Gospel with the same three words as Genesis. "In the beginning". Genesis isn't as much about the beginning of the universe but about Jesus Christ "The Light" coming into the world. Prophesy.

Not sure how each day fits but many of the items such as the greater and lesser light are the New and Old Testament. If one thinks of the sun and moon, the moon produces no light of its own but reflects the sun's light. The many different creatures are the Gentiles just as in Peter's vision. The sixth day is the day we all celebrate, Good Friday. The day when God, Jesus Christ has finished all of the works which the Father has given him to accomplish and as John's Gospel tells as Jesus is about to die he says, "It is finished".
Genesis 2 then gives us another allegory, the 2nd creation story. All of God's children have two creations. We are born of water and then we have our new creation which only God can bring us. Created righteous, Eden.

This is where we as believers run into a ton of problems: when we turn the beginning of the world into allegory. Using allegory as the foundation of our faith is about as good as building our house upon the sand. Building upon a literal foundation is as good as building our house on the solid rock. If we take our time to analyse Genesis 1:1-5 we'll see that God is Light and the source of it from day one.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

So we should not talk about it is what you're saying? The discussion of if the creation account should be taken literal or if it can be understand in a non-literal context is worthwhile and understanding inconsistencies or aspects that are paradoxal may be hints on how to approach the passage.

Please look at post #22 of this thread for my response to your question on post #1.

 

[Yarddog]

This is where we as believers run into a ton of problems: when we turn the beginning of the world into allegory. Using allegory as the foundation of our faith is about as good as building our house upon the sand. Building upon a literal foundation is as good as building our house on the solid rock. If we take our time to analyse Genesis 1:1-5 we'll see that God is Light and the source of it from day one.

There is no place where I hint that the foundation of my faith is an allegory for the foundation is Rock and that Rock is Jesus Christ, the beginning and the end.

 

[Eloy Craft]

how does "in the beginning" = Jesus?

In Revelation "Jesus said i am the beginning and the end"

Rev 22-13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

 

[Eloy Craft]

so when God says "Let there be light" he is instructing the Word to come into the world?

I think this just may be true. This is how all of creation tends towards Jesus. Is about Him. The light could be His soul created and glorified. First born of creation. Seen at the Transfiguration waiting for the Incarnation how a virgin could conceive

 

[Eloy Craft]

if the creation account foreshadows Christ how do the other days fit?

Christ Jesus is the first day. His soul is created and in that light the rest of creation is in.
That day divides the darkness. Darkness isn't divided on any other day.

 

[Tolworth John]

so the text refers to physical light?

How else would anyone understan, 'Let there be light.'
Anything other than vissible light would be pointless.

 

[Eloy Craft]

How else would anyone understan, 'Let there be light.'
Anything other than vissible light would be pointless.

The first created light, that is not the light from material things. It is light created in a formless void. Have you seen any other light, than light that comes from the earth, sun and stars?

 

[Tolworth John]

The first created light, that is not the light from material things. Have you seen any other light, than light that comes from the earth, sun and stars?

No the first Created light had no material source, it was created by supernatural means.
God spoke and there was the electromagnetic vibration we call visible light.

Have I seen light other than fron the earth. No the earth does not give off light.
Other than from stars, yes, my computer screen is lit up, as is my electric light..
If I want a romantic meal, my wife and I will eat by candle light.

 

[Eloy Craft]

No the first Created light had no material source, it was created by supernatural means.
God spoke and there was the electromagnetic vibration we call visible light.

Have I seen light other than fron the earth. No the earth does not give off light.
Other than from stars, yes, my computer screen is lit up, as is my electric light..
If I want a romantic meal, my wife and I will eat by candle light.

Electric and fire they are of the earth

 

[Eloy Craft]

Electric and fire they are of the earth

This light is not from the earth sun or stars
The first day God separates the light from the darkness. no other day is darkness divided from light

“Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
Luke
to give light to those who sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.”


Matt
“You are the light of the world. A city built on a hill cannot be hid.

Matt
the people who sat in darkness have seen a great light, and for those who sat in the region and shadow of death light has dawned.”

 

[DamianWarS]

How else would anyone understan, 'Let there be light.'
Anything other than vissible light would be pointless.

Maybe it's a metaphor

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

There is no place where I hint that the foundation of my faith is an allegory for the foundation is Rock and that Rock is Jesus Christ, the beginning and the end.

If you read your posts in #41 and #43 then you'll see that you're reading the word of God as an allegory. And allegory literally means to 'speak other' than what is actually said: that is to say that you are arguing that the creation week is not about the beginning of the world but, it's actually speaking about other things.
I would agree with your points in the aforementioned posts if you said the things in Genesis were types or shadows of things to come: for a type is literally a, 'strike', 'figure', or 'impression'.
Other than that you are on point about many things in the old testament speaking of Christ.

 

[Ken Rank]

The lights of the sun, moon and stars so that their light is regularly visible from the surface of the earth. In this way the narrative shifts from the very precise word for 'created' to the more general 'made', and then the much broader use of 'set'.

Set (nathan H5414) A primitive root; to give, used with greatest latitude of application (Gen 1:17, Gen 9:13, Gen 18:8, Gen 30:40, Gen 41:41). Elsewhere translated ‘put’, ‘make’, ‘cause’, etc.
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The sun, moon and stars where already created on the fourth day, they were just made regularly visible from the surface of the earth.

Day 1: God 'lets' the light in, thus creating the first day (Gen. 1:4).
Day 2: God creates the upper atmosphere, called the 'firmament' (Gen. 1:7).
Day 3: God separates the land from the seas and creates plant life (Gen. 1:10).
Day 4: God then, 'sets', the heavenly lights in the visible sky (Gen. 1:17).
Day 5: God creates the birds of the air and marine life (Gen. 1:21).
Day 6: Finally, God creates the beasts of the field and Man (Gen. 1:25).
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For the first three days of creation does it make any sense at all that they earth was alone in the universe? Or does it make more sense that God was continuing to clear the clouds and altering the atmosphere (firmament), as an ongoing work of creation?

God set the lights in the sky, it does not say God created them on the fourth day.

That is possible but you don't know with 100% certainty anymore than what I said can be known with 100% certainty. Besides, I didn't share what I believe, I shared two "possibilities" that are worthy of consideration. Just as your point is...

Blessings.

 

[Almost there]

I look at this stuff almost like I look at Revelation. Almost.

Before he even started his six day effort, the earth was waiting, as a clean sphere, covered with water, to be "formed". Water represents heat, but not too much heat.

And the first day there was morning and evening - dark and light. So we had the earth rotating and the Sun shining. "let there be light" could be the equivalent of removing a dark cloud so the sun could shine.

Of course, there was no mankind yet to see this event, so it is just what Moses wrote, as God instructed him.

I think Creation is quite intentionally vague and it's kinda pointless to dig too deep into the realm of speculation on it. There is not enough info there. The only other source of info is what science tells us (i.e. what we observe from ancient past) and what other cultures may say about it in their ancient written words, if any.

 

[mark kennedy]

That is possible but you don't know with 100% certainty anymore than what I said can be known with 100% certainty. Besides, I didn't share what I believe, I shared two "possibilities" that are worthy of consideration. Just as your point is...

Blessings.

Well I appreciate that, I think the text is remarkably well constructed, I see a progression of thought in the narrative. God created the heavens and the earth Ex nihilo and expressed in absolute terms. A more general reference is God making something from an already existing material, for lack of a better way of saying it. Then the term translated 'set' is a far more general term where the sun, moon and stars are already 'created', just made visible from the surface of the earth regularly, in order to be 'set' as indicators of the changes in the seasons.

I also think it's important to consider that the light, when God said let their be light, is never identified as being God's glory or perhaps just God letting natural light in. Either possibility would fit the text.

 

[Yarddog]

If you read your posts in #41 and #43 then you'll see that you're reading the word of God as an allegory.

Are you somehow saying that when the Apostle Paul reveals Sarah and Hagar as allegories that he is wrong?

And allegory literally means to 'speak other' than what is actually said: that is to say that you are arguing that the creation week is not about the beginning of the world but, it's actually speaking about other things.

Just as when Isaiah, David, Moses, etc... wrote about one thing but were actually speaking of Jesus Christ. Who was the Rock? The pillar of fire...

I would agree with your points in the aforementioned posts if you said the things in Genesis were types or shadows of things to come: for a type is literally a, 'strike', 'figure', or 'impression'.

I said, "Genesis isn't as much about the beginning of the universe but about Jesus Christ "The Light" coming into the world. Prophesy."

Other than that you are on point about many things in the old testament speaking of Christ.

I am very fortunate that God has begun removing the veil from my eyes and showing the incredible wonders of OT scripture. It has only brought me into a much deeper faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.

God Bless