what was the light on the first day?

[mark kennedy]

I look at this stuff almost like I look at Revelation. Almost.

Before he even started his six day effort, the earth was waiting, as a clean sphere, covered with water, to be "formed". Water represents heat, but not too much heat.

And the first day there was morning and evening - dark and light. So we had the earth rotating and the Sun shining. "let there be light" could be the equivalent of removing a dark cloud so the sun could shine.

Of course, there was no mankind yet to see this event, so it is just what Moses wrote, as God instructed him.

I think Creation is quite intentionally vague and it's kinda pointless to dig too deep into the realm of speculation on it. There is not enough info there. The only other source of info is what science tells us (i.e. what we observe from ancient past) and what other cultures may say about it in their ancient written words, if any.

One of the best analogies I've seen goes something like, the first three days were the creation of the vessels, the next three days those vessels were filled. Not to get too philosophical there is a philosophical concept called being and nothingness. For example, a pitcher is defined by the negative space inside it. So for three days God is defining the negatives space as he makes those vessels suitable as a livable environment, then for the next three days he fills them with living things.

Like all prophets Moses related what God communicated to him, expressing it according to what God has made known according to the purpose of his good will. We are left sometimes, to our own faulty devices, to ponder and plumb the depths of that revelation. I think one thing is crystal clear from the text, at the heart of the emphasis God is laying claim to being the author, creator and sustainer of life on this planet.

 

[Ken Rank]

I also think it's important to consider that the light, when God said let their be light, is never identified as being God's glory or perhaps just God letting natural light in. Either possibility would fit the text.

That is my point... it isn't identified in Scripture. It MIGHT be the sun, moon and stars (although since the moon doesn't even give off it's own light, I would have more questions) but it could be the particles from which everything else was created. And... since there was a lamb slain from the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:8) and since the true lamb called himself "light" and because the path of salvation is called "light" then perhaps... just perhaps... God made a way back before we ever fell away?

 

[mark kennedy]

Are you somehow saying that when the Apostle Paul reveals Sarah and Hagar as allegories that he is wrong?

Just as when Isaiah, David, Moses, etc... wrote about one thing but were actually speaking of Jesus Christ. Who was the Rock? The pillar of fire...

I said, "Genesis isn't as much about the beginning of the universe but about Jesus Christ "The Light" coming into the world. Prophesy."

I am very fortunate that God has begun removing the veil from my eyes and showing the incredible wonders of OT scripture. It has only brought me into a much deeper faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.

God Bless

He took it and ate it in front of them. Jesus said to them, “These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled” that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms. Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures.…(Luke 24:43-45)
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All the prophets speak of him:

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John 1:14)
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The light called forth from the darkness was the glory of God. It fits the narrative.

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[Almost there]

He took it and ate it in front of them. Jesus said to them, “These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled” that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms. Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures.…(Luke 24:43-45)
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All the prophets speak of him:

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John 1:14)
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The light called forth from the darkness was the glory of God. It fits the narrative.

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I believe that it is within the realm of possibility that one of the attributes of God is the electromagnetic "vibrations" that give us light. It is, in fact, everywhere except where there is darkness. Even on a dark night you can see stars. And they are giving off the electromagnetic waves as existence and presence, for the entire distance between them and your eye.

So I simplify the light in Genesis 1:3 to probably be God removing whatever was a shrowd over the earth to allow sunlight in.

Because the bible is so silent on so many of the details, and most of what we "know" based on scripture, regarding creation, is speculation, forcing us to go by observation.

i.e. the sun and earth are pretty old, so my "speculation" is that the "let there be light moment" was the moment the six days of creation began. And all those dinosaur and other fossils we see are leftovers from previous iterations of life on this ball before he wiped it clean and started again.

And this speaks to the "new heavens and new earth" in Revelation. It will be wiped clean after the 1000 year reign of Christ, this time with "no sea", unlike last time where there was no dry land.

This is all speculation, but I know of no scripture that contradicts it. Yet, anyway.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Are you somehow saying that when the Apostle Paul reveals Sarah and Hagar as allegories that he is wrong?

Just as when Isaiah, David, Moses, etc... wrote about one thing but were actually speaking of Jesus Christ. Who was the Rock? The pillar of fire...

I said, "Genesis isn't as much about the beginning of the universe but about Jesus Christ "The Light" coming into the world. Prophesy."

I am very fortunate that God has begun removing the veil from my eyes and showing the incredible wonders of OT scripture. It has only brought me into a much deeper faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.

God Bless

No, Paul was not wrong in using allegory as he used it to demonstrate what Sarah and Hagar's states of freedom and slavery were alluding to: not that their story was just made up and never actually happened. Paul made it clear that the people in a state of slavery to sin will not inherit the promise of God but, the people in a state of freedom will inherit the promise of God: the latter being the chosen seed and heirs; the former not being the chosen seed and not the heirs.

As for Moses, David, and Isaiah: they did not write allegories about Christ, nor were their lives allegories. Figures of speech such as 'The Rock, Pillar of Fire, Light, etc. are used to help us understand the nature of Jesus Christ as the Son of God and our Savior.

 

[mark kennedy]

That is my point... it isn't identified in Scripture. It MIGHT be the sun, moon and stars (although since the moon doesn't even give off it's own light, I would have more questions) but it could be the particles from which everything else was created. And... since there was a lamb slain from the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:8) and since the true lamb called himself "light" and because the path of salvation is called "light" then perhaps... just perhaps... God made a way back before we ever fell away?

Jesus is the Lamb that was slain, who was before the foundation of the world. When Jesus said 'before Abraham was, I AM, invoking the define article.

 

[Yarddog]

No, Paul was not wrong in using allegory as he used it to demonstrate what Sarah and Hagar's states of freedom and slavery were alluding to: not that their story was just made up and never actually happened.

Who has said that anything was made up?

 

[Ken Rank]

Jesus is the Lamb that was slain, who was before the foundation of the world. When Jesus said 'before Abraham was, I AM, invoking the define article.

I agree... and seeing his path that we follow is 'the light' and that he himself is also "that light" then all I am saying is... it is possible that the plan for salvation was created before there was a need for salvation. The light on day 1 being that plan, that path.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

I agree... and seeing his path that we follow is 'the light' and that he himself is also "that light" then all I am saying is... it is possible that the plan for salvation was created before there was a need for salvation. The light on day 1 being that plan, that path.

Brother you are on the right path: you speak rightly in saying that God planned all of these things before the world was created, and this is what Paul meant when he said that Christ was the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. We serve a God who plans ahead, is well equipped for battle, and has foresight. Our God is not short sighted, compulsory, or impulsive. We must be in the light as He is in the light: for God is Light.

 

[Ken Rank]

Brother you are on the right path: you speak rightly in saying that God planned all of these things before the world was created, and this is what Paul meant when he said that Christ was the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. We serve a God who plans ahead, is well equipped for battle, and has foresight. Our God is not short sighted, compulsory, or impulsive. We must be in the light as He is in the light: for God is Light.

There is another witness to God creating a path back before man even fell... and as a Messianic, you'll appreciate this, I think.

On day 4, the sun moon and stars were either created or set in their place or both... I lean toward both. Regardless, they were in place in day 4. Adam was not created until day 6 so this placement of the luminaries is clearly before there was a sin, correct?

Well, in Genesis 1:14, the word for "seasons" is moedim, which I am sure you know is the word we would normally translate as Feasts (although "appointments" or "appointed times" is more accurate). So the sun, moon, and stars were set in place, on the 4th day, in part because God was planning on using them as markers to determine the Feasts (i.e. Passover, Tabernacles, for those you who might be lost at this point). The Feasts point to the various aspects of MESSIAH'S WORK.... I can go through each and every Feast and show the restoration plan from start to finish using only the Feasts. God knew this, of course, when He set the luminaries in the sky... and so even before He made man, before man sinned, the markers we would use to point to events on a calendar that would point to Messiah's work... were set in place. Thus, this too shows that God knew in advance we would fall and at least knew the plan back before He made us.

 

[DamianWarS]

There is another witness to God creating a path back before man even fell... and as a Messianic, you'll appreciate this, I think.

On day 4, the sun moon and stars were either created or set in their place or both... I lean toward both. Regardless, they were in place in day 4. Adam was not created until day 6 so this placement of the luminaries is clearly before there was a sin, correct?

Well, in Genesis 1:14, the word for "seasons" is moedim, which I am sure you know is the word we would normally translate as Feasts (although "appointments" or "appointed times" is more accurate). So the sun, moon, and stars were set in place, on the 4th day, in part because God was planning on using them as markers to determine the Feasts (i.e. Passover, Tabernacles, for those you who might be lost at this point). The Feasts point to the various aspects of MESSIAH'S WORK.... I can go through each and every Feast and show the restoration plan from start to finish using only the Feasts. God knew this, of course, when He set the luminaries in the sky... and so even before He made man, before man sinned, the markers we would use to point to events on a calendar that would point to Messiah's work... were set in place. Thus, this too shows that God knew in advance we would fall and at least knew the plan back before He made us.

it would appear the text doesn't care about its inconsistencies or disorder but rather is focused on some other divine order. Day 1 has a focus and it is light and separating light from darkness. It also has a focus establishing day and night. Day 4 seems to extend this focus and we are pulled back to day 1 immediately but how it opens the way day 1 closes.

v5 "God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day..." v14 "And God said, Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night...." So on Day 1 the light is day and the darkness is night and on Day 4 the sun becomes the light for the day and the moon becomes the light for the night. Day 4 goes on to and establishe the sun/moon "for signs and for seasons, and for days and years"

It feels like a painting where you establish the base layers first then paint the foreground objects. For example if you wanted to make a sun you don't first paint a yellow circle but instead you paint the glow of the sun then you paint the sun over top of the glow and this is the image I get of the creation account. a canvas where the background layers are painted first (days 1-3) and then the foreground things are painted last (days 4-6), the last being the most central and focused item that overshadows all others which is the creation of man.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

it would appear the text doesn't care about its inconsistencies or disorder but rather is focused on some other divine order. Day 1 has a focus and it is light and separating light from darkness. It also has a focus establishing day and night. Day 4 seems to extend this focus and we are pulled back to day 1 immediately but how it opens the way day 1 closes.

v5 "God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day..." v14 "And God said, Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night...." So on Day 1 the light is day and the darkness is night and on Day 4 the sun becomes the light for the day and the moon becomes the light for the night. Day 4 goes on to and establishe the sun/moon "for signs and for seasons, and for days and years"

It feels like a painting where you establish the base layers first then paint the foreground objects. For example if you wanted to make a sun you don't first paint a yellow circle but instead you paint the glow of the sun then you paint the sun over top of the glow and this is the image I get of the creation account. a canvas where the background layers are painted first (days 1-3) and then the foreground things are painted last (days 4-6), the last being the most central and focused item that overshadows all others which is the creation of man.

The text is actually very consistent. Day one establishes that God is Light and light comes from Him: not the luminaries. Day four shows that the luminaries receive their light from God, and they were to shed God's light on the earth to man:

1) Light
2) Sun, Moon and stars
3) Man

This established order shows that all things originate from God who is the cause of all things which exist. In order to understand this properly we must throw out all of our preconceived notions of "truth" we received from the world, and fill up our minds with the Truth from God, and thus is accomplished by humbling ourselves before Him.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

There is another witness to God creating a path back before man even fell... and as a Messianic, you'll appreciate this, I think.

On day 4, the sun moon and stars were either created or set in their place or both... I lean toward both. Regardless, they were in place in day 4. Adam was not created until day 6 so this placement of the luminaries is clearly before there was a sin, correct?

Well, in Genesis 1:14, the word for "seasons" is moedim, which I am sure you know is the word we would normally translate as Feasts (although "appointments" or "appointed times" is more accurate). So the sun, moon, and stars were set in place, on the 4th day, in part because God was planning on using them as markers to determine the Feasts (i.e. Passover, Tabernacles, for those you who might be lost at this point). The Feasts point to the various aspects of MESSIAH'S WORK.... I can go through each and every Feast and show the restoration plan from start to finish using only the Feasts. God knew this, of course, when He set the luminaries in the sky... and so even before He made man, before man sinned, the markers we would use to point to events on a calendar that would point to Messiah's work... were set in place. Thus, this too shows that God knew in advance we would fall and at least knew the plan back before He made us.

Well a slight correction on when sin and death entered. Verse two shows us that the creation of darkness is a type of sin and death. The Spirit of God hovering over the face of the waters shows that the earth had fallen into sin and become formless and void because of the sin and death which covered it: therefore it was through the Spirit of God and the burial of the earth under the waters which cleansed us from sin: after this God called the Light which is a type of Jesus to give us life. That would explain why the earth was not revealed until the third day of creation: and this being a type of the death Jesus Christ would experience with three days and three nights in the heart of the earth and being raised on the third day. The luminaries on the fourth day of the week are types of the Law and the prophets who would receive their Revelation from God to give to man in order to guide them in the day and in the night. When Adam was created on the sixth day and given dominion over heaven, earth, and the sea: this is foreshadowing the millennial reign of Christ Jesus when He comes to establish His Kingdom on earth and rule over all the nations, which the animals are types of.

 

[Eloy Craft]

Christ Jesus is the first day. His soul is created and in that light the rest of creation is in.
That day divides the darkness. Darkness isn't divided on any other day.

This isn't true. The soul is naturally incomplete. Human nature is corrupt assumed by the Word in that the Word is a Person that is naturally divine and the soul is not a person nor naturally human without a body.

Christ Jesus is the first day. His soul is created and in that light the rest of creation is in.
That day divides the darkness. Darkness isn't divided on any other day.

This isn't true. Jesus' soul was created and immediately infused the body when Jesus Incarnated.