What was Hamas thinking???

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[Pommer]

A lot of people believe Hamas is thinking about getting as many Palestinians killed as possible, trying to make Israel look like the agressors.

Or maybe Israel over-reacted by declaring war?

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

This was posted this morning on anothrt thread. I think it is very relevant and appropriate for this thread.It really speaks to what Hamas is thinking.

Son : of Hamas

This Palestinian.... is the Eldest son..... of one of the founders of : Hamas He has something important to share with you, in this recent Video. Thanks for watching... - - -

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[Pommer]

Does Hamas think Israel will not be coming because they have hostages':

Netanyahu says defeating Hamas principal objective - but pressure growing on hostages

Anyone expecting to hear an offer from Israel’s prime minister to pause his military’s assault on Gaza in order to secure the release of hostages will have been disappointed.

Benjamin Netanyahu cast this battle in the broadest context: a 3,000 year old battle for Jewish survival.

Israel, he said, had to prevail. Defeating Hamas was his principal objective. Securing the release of hostages was a secondary objective.

He was speaking just a short time after meeting the relatives of Israelis being held hostage by Hamas. They’re deeply apprehensive and want assurances that Israel’s military operations, which stepped up a gear 24 hours ago, won’t prove to be a death sentence for their loved ones.

But the prime minister, who said that his heart broke when he met the families, said there was “no contradiction” between defeating Hamas and bringing the hostages home.

In a further indication of his government’s strategy, the defence minister, Yoav Gallant, said “the more we hit out at [Hamas], we know that they will be willing to come to some kind of agreement, and we will be able to bring our dearly beloved hostages home.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67246761

If Netanyahu sends attacks with his own civilians in harm’s way, maybe he is the monster that
Hamas has been telling us he is?

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

If Netanyahu sends attacks with his own civilians in harm’s way, maybe he is the monster that
Hamas has been telling us he is?

You do not understand. To Hamas, Israel is the monster. It does not see Netanyahu alone is the monster. To them all of Jews are the monsters and must be eradicated. It does not matter who Israel's prime minister is.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I suspect that Hamas were looking to force Israel into attacking Gaza. That will inevitably lead to civilian casualties, which they hope will drive recruitment and isolate Israel on the world stage. Hamas does not care about Gaza or its inhabitants, outside of their potential as recruits. Their one and only goal is the destruction of Israel, and they're willing to do - and try - anything to achieve it.

Israel is standing in the way of Islamic domination of the western countries. If they can eliminate Israel, they will attack the western democracies one by one until they have achieved their world-wide purpose. No one will be safe, even in the United States. If Israel goes, the day will come when they will invade your city or town and come after you and your family.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Is this the kind of news reports Hamas wanted:

Yes.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Israel-Hamas War: What You Need To Know

At 6:30 a.m. on October 7, 2023, Hamas, the Iran-backed terror group controlling Gaza, launched an unprovoked and vicious surprise attack on over 20 communities in Israel. Using rockets, paragliders, boats, motorcycles, other vehicles, and whatever other means they could, terrorists infiltrated...

www.ajc.org

IT is easy to understand the rationale Russia used to attack Ukraine. Something like "This will be as easy as taking candy from a baby - just like when we took Crimea". Even the allies of Ukraine in the West saw no real way out for Ukraine. Everyone was thinking it was yet another "take candy from a baby" scenario for Russia. (Thank God it blew up in their faces).

But what about Hamas' attack on Israel?? That is closer to "stand behind a baby and then shoot at a tank with a pistol". Just exactly what did they "HOPE" would happen?
1. IT is clear they never imagined that 2500 rockets would wipe out the entire nation of Israel.
2. IT is clear they knew that this would get GAZA leveled.
3. IT is clear that they knew it would mean that millions of people in Gaza would have to flee.

So what did they hope to get for it??. Some people killed in Israel and millions forced to escape from Gaza? How would that help Hamas? Was Hamas upset that Hamas members were not being killed in large enough numbers? Were they thinking that people in GAZA should have much worse living conditions?

As much as I don't like what Russia did -- at least I can see that they had some logic in place while they attempted that sort of crime. But Hamas' seems to be too anxious to shoot themselves in the foot just for the sake of the humiliation and loss. What is the point in that??

No it's not easy to see a reason that Putin/Russia keep doing a terrorist attacks against Ukraine. People need to stop trying to defend Putin/Russia for being a terrorist. I say the same about Hamas. No he didn't think about the people he should be protecting.

 

[rjs330]

Or maybe Israel over-reacted by declaring war?

No this has been a long time coming. What Hamas did finally tipped it over the edge. Hamas has been killing Jews for years now.

 

[Pommer]

No this has been a long time coming. What Hamas did finally tipped it over the edge. Hamas has been killing Jews for years now.

Israel has been allowing Jewish settlers to build communities in Occupied Territory, (though not in Gaza).
Remember though, that Gaza and the West Bank are the same “country”. Gaza’s more difficult to control because it has a coastline. The West Bank is encompassed by Israel.

 

[rjs330]

Israel has been allowing Jewish settlers to build communities in Occupied Territory, (though not in Gaza).
Remember though, that Gaza and the West Bank are the same “country”. Gaza’s more difficult to control because it has a coastline. The West Bank is encompassed by Israel.

And yet it was Gaza and Hamas that has been attacking them. And it was Hamas and Gaza that attacked on October 7.

 

[rjs330]

Israel has been allowing Jewish settlers to build communities in Occupied Territory, (though not in Gaza).
Remember though, that Gaza and the West Bank are the same “country”. Gaza’s more difficult to control because it has a coastline. The West Bank is encompassed by Israel.

And the the West Bank is governed by the PA. So no it's not the same "country". There is no country of Palestine.

 

[Pommer]

And yet it was Gaza and Hamas that has been attacking them. And it was Hamas and Gaza that attacked on October 7.

They are “one people” separated by another Nation.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

And the the West Bank is governed by the PA. So no it's not the same "country". There is no country of Palestine.

QFT! Most people cannot see this truth.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

They are “one people” separated by another Nation.

They are not. They are descendants of Ishmael, Esau, and Keturah.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

They are “one people” separated by another Nation.

They are Arabs

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

If Netanyahu sends attacks with his own civilians in harm’s way, maybe he is the monster that
Hamas has been telling us he is?

No, that is what Hamas does.

 

[wing2000]

But what about Hamas' attack on Israel?? That is closer to "stand behind a baby and then shoot at a tank with a pistol". Just exactly what did they "HOPE" would happen?

From a recent interview with Hamas leaders in Qatar:
[....a narrative that is common with Terrorist organizations]

Thousands have been killed in Gaza, with entire families wiped out. Israeli airstrikes have reduced Palestinian neighborhoods to expanses of rubble, while doctors treat screaming children in darkened hospitals with no anesthesia. Across the Middle East, fear has spread over the possible outbreak of a broader regional war.

But in the bloody arithmetic of Hamas’s leaders, the carnage is not the regrettable outcome of a big miscalculation. Quite the opposite, they say: It is the necessary cost of a great accomplishment — the shattering of the status quo and the opening of a new, more volatile chapter in their fight against Israel.

It was necessary to “change the entire equation and not just have a clash,” Khalil al-Hayya, a member of Hamas’s top leadership body, told The New York Times in Doha, Qatar. “We succeeded in putting the Palestinian issue back on the table, and now no one in the region is experiencing calm.”

Of note:

In weeks of interviews, Hamas leaders, along with Arab, Israeli and Western officials who track the group, said the attack had been planned and executed by a tight circle of commanders in Gaza who did not share the details with their own political representatives abroad or with their regional allies like Hezbollah, leaving people outside the enclave surprised by the ferocity, scale and reach of the assault.

The attack ended up being broader and more deadly than even its planners had anticipated, they said, largely because the assailants managed to break through Israel’s vaunted defenses with ease, allowing them to overrun military bases and residential areas with little resistance. As Hamas stormed through a swath of southern Israel, it killed and captured more soldiers and civilians than it expected to, officials said.

Behind Hamas’s Bloody Gambit to Create a ‘Permanent’ State of War

Hamas leaders say they waged their Oct. 7 attack on Israel because they believed the Palestinian cause was slipping away, and that only violence could revive it.

www.nytimes.com

 

[BobRyan]

It was necessary to “change the entire equation and not just have a clash,” Khalil al-Hayya, a member of Hamas’s top leadership body, told The New York Times in Doha, Qatar. “We succeeded in putting the Palestinian issue back on the table, and now no one in the region is experiencing calm.”

So they knew that "response" from Israel was going to kill Palestinians - but to Hamas the death of Palestinians means nothing - the real point is getting everyone angry and at war.

What entity since the dawn of time on Earth has had that same "please be angry and at war" game plan?

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

What entity since the dawn of time on Earth has had that same "please be angry and at war" game plan?

The same entity that wants to eliminate the Jews.