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Well, no, we do.
There are only three options:
1. God is outside time, and He created time itself.
2. God is within time, and Himself had a beginning (this is heresy).
3. God is within time, and waited an infinite amount of time before creating the universe (this is logically impossible).
This is from the study of the Hebrew language and the meaning of the Hebrew letters. There is quite a bit of teaching on YouTube.
A lot of people have that interpratation. The problem is though that if you go by "wisdom" described in proverbs as a "created" entity; the only conclusion one could come to is that it's Jesus Christ; because He is the only person of the God Head that has a created dimension to His being.
I would agree with @David Cabrera on this one. Wisdom is Jesus.
What a fascinating, fascinating question!
My first thought is that God intended for His Son to receive glory.
On the other hand, if you go back further than the first thought: you might have seen God sleeping.
(So the answer to the question is somewhere between waking up and dreaming of His Son - with work with the Son to follow)
I have the movie, watch it a lot, great movie...All this makes me think of the climax scene of the movie Interstellar (SPOILER ALERT if you haven't seen the movie!)
It looks almost like Matthew Mcconaughey's character becomes binitary on entering the black hole. One person of Cooper is outside/beyond time communicating with another person of Cooper inside time.
I'm not making anything of this - it just makes me remember a good movie.
Great movie, but falls prey to the bootstrap paradox.All this makes me think of the climax scene of the movie Interstellar (SPOILER ALERT if you haven't seen the movie!)
It looks almost like Matthew Mcconaughey's character becomes binitary on entering the black hole. One person of Cooper is outside/beyond time communicating with another person of Cooper inside time.
I'm not making anything of this - it just makes me remember a good movie.
I'm somewhat confused by the idea that wisdom is a created [some]thing. This would seem to imply that there was some moment or point when God didn't have wisdom and/or that he created everything without wisdom.
The message is not hidden so much as people are required to have a whole new level of understanding. As Paul says: "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things." There are people today that have a PhD in Physics. When they were little this knowledge was not hidden from them so much as they were not ready and mature enough to understand. Children learn the Bible on a different level then adults. That is why they go to sunday school and the Adults are taught by the pastor on an adult level.I suppose the first question would be why think there are secret/hidden messages in the modern Hebrew alphabet.
The long standing belief is that eternity became temporal at the big bang when a part of what is eternal was crunched so much that it either exploded or became corrupted to the degree that death began. Not from the expansion but from the crunch or contraction that took place before our universes began to expand.I think William Lane Craig takes a position that God is timeless without creation, but became temporal when he created.
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