Once God begins controlling and changing rather than drawing, encouraging, informing, then our wills are no longer free for all practical purposes. We may not be able to say "yes" without His help, but we can still always say "no" even then.If God changes my will to want to repent, is my will no longer involved?
Why did he not intend to actually save anyone?
Where do you get such a notion of free will?Once God begins controlling and changing rather than drawing, encouraging, informing, then our wills are no longer free for all practical purposes. We may not be able to say "yes" without His help, but we can still always say "no" even then.
Calvinists don’t believe that God forces anyone to be saved against their wills. All who are saved come to Christ willingly. And yet Jesus died to actually save these people and to purchase the Holy Spirit for them to change their hearts.Free will. God doesn’t force salvation on us, although, the Bible does say there are some Jews who will be saved, but He is letting the gentles enter first. He loves the Jews.
Lucifer had free will in heaven but he chose to steal God’ glory. Even the angels had a free will since a 1/4 of them joined satan. God wants us to decide who we want; our creator or the liar.
Firstly, it is far above my pay grade to give God a fail grade for anything.So God intended to save all. Did he fail?
Firstly, it is far above my pay grade to give God a fail grade for anything.
What I do think is that if you want to ask the question posed in this thread, that the Johannine Gospel presents some challenges. John 3:16 does not say that God love some of us so much, but all of us. Th only option seems to be that God does not force us, (and OK I get that Calvinists have a different spin on it with the double predestination thing). The Incarnation suggests that God shares with us in this life that leads to death, that we might share with him in the life that leads from death.
The Peace of the Lord be always with you.In true Anglican fashion, this doesn’t really clarify anything.
I live it everyday. Plus the Church teaches it and it aligns with Scripture.Calvinists don’t believe that God forces anyone to be saved against their wills. All who are saved come to Christ willingly. And yet Jesus died to actually save these people and to purchase the Holy Spirit for them to change their hearts.
Where do you get your notion of free will from?
Where in Scripture is this understanding of free will taught?I live it everyday. Plus the Church teaches it and it aligns with Scripture.
Everywhere it admonishes believers to obey, whether by being perfect, being holy, feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, being vigilant, investing ones talents, remaining faithful, remaining in Christ, refraining from sin, persevering, striving, etc, generally with loss of place in the kingdom at stake.Where in Scripture is this understanding of free will taught?
His work was once for "all." I take that as not only all people, but all of creation (see Romans 8:22). I am not a universalist per se, but I do believe the work was for "all who will receive."
If I’m not mistaken eternal security teaches that once someone is saved they cannot lose their salvation. Basically OSAS.
Not for me... I know what they believe. You were the one who tried to align me to a group whose theology I don't hold to. I was simply saying that I am neither.
If God changes my will to want to repent, is my will no longer involved?
Thankfully, no one is required to ever think of Calvin's doctrine on this or on anything from or of Calvin.The major issue I have with Calvin's doctrine is this. If God changes my own will to repent and he succeeded, then why is God not doing the same for all men, knowing fully well he wants ALL to be saved.
To make it possible for all people to be saved. This is the biblical answer and Arminianism or any other -ism has nothing to do with it.When God purposed that Jesus would die on the cross, what was his intention?
To make it possible for all people to be saved
God intended to save all of humanity, therefore Christ "tasted death for every man" (Heb 2:9).Why did he not intend to actually save anyone?
When God purposed that Jesus would die on the cross, what was his intention?
Options in the poll:
Discuss.
- To actually save all people - This is universalism. God intended for the cross of Christ to affect the salvation of all people, regardless of whether or not they repent in this life.
- To make it possible for all people to be saved - Arminianism. God did not intend to actually save anyone. He merely intended to make it possible for anyone who believes in Jesus to be saved.
- To actually save some people - At the cross God intended to actually save a group of people known as the elect. This is Calvinism.
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