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What was Adam doing when Eve was taking the apple?

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Was he playing Tennis with a Kangaroo?

(it would be nice if there was a miscellaneous Christian subforum since I'm not sure where to put this :doh:

Serious question.
Does it really matter? Obviously Adam was not privy to the conversation between the serpent and Eve at the time they were communicating. Whatever the case, they both knew what they were doing when they ate of the tree: basically they were doing something God commanded them not to do.
 
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Every translation I've read clearly states the Adam was with Eve during the conversation with the Serpent. Read Gen 3:1-6, the conversation is one sided, between Eve and the Serpent, in the first half of verse 6 is says this (NIV): "When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband WHO WAS WITH HER, and he ate it. The husband therefore with Eve during this event, but notice there is no conversation going on between Adam and his wife, nor was there any conversation going on between Adam and the Serpent, it was all one sided, and Adam failed to protect her which was his assigned duty in the unity of marriage. It doesn't say anywhere in those first 6 verses of chapter 3 that Adam was with God and then stumbles upon the scene of Eve having already ate the fruit.

Adam willfully partook of what God told them not to partake. The bigger question is why did Adam partake? Because I think both of them wanted a god complex. Huh? sure, just read the bible and you'll discover plenty of times man wanted to be like God and God has to strike them down. And in that process we change the words of the Bible which in turn changes the meaning of what the Bible says. Those of you that wrote in this post were males, and you changed to meaning so that it would make man sound superior to the woman because he was communing with God, or it wasn't his fault he wasn't there. Man is passing the buck. We are not to add nor subtract from God's word, Duet 4:2; Prov 30:6; Rev 22:18.19. What we need to do is read the Bible more carefully and issues like this would never pop up. The unfortunately thing about all of this is that mankind tries to change God's word to fit their needs, to fit the times, a pastor trying to teach is people something that made him upset changes the word to make his point; some are real sly about this, some will take a small portion of a verse, not a chapter, a VERSE, follow it up with another small sliver of a verse and few more like that to make a point and the point fails because the sliver of verses were taken out of context with the chapter in which it was taken from! STOP DOING THAT! And/or they will take a small sliver of a verse and go off running at the mouth non stop trying to sound educated, which they will sound very educated, but have taken the verse way out of context while we listeners just sit there going yup yup, amen brother...STOP DOING THAT TOO! I see this all the time with national TV pastors, and I know it goes on outside the TV world too.

How can we stop this carnage of God's Word? I always read at least 4 or 5 verses before and after the verse some pastor gave while he's blabbing on, to make sure that whatever point he's trying to make stays with the context of the chapter. All Bibles have thought sections marked in every chapter, these thought sections are marked with a bolder black verse number, so from one bold black verse number to where the next one is is a continuous thought, which means a pastor should at the very least be reading that area in which contains the verse he wants to use so the congregation knows the context of the verse he's trying to expound on; and in some cases to make single verse point a pastor may have to read the entire chapter...nothing wrong with that boys and girls especially since most people go home from church and that'll be the last they'll hear anything out of the Bible till next Sunday! In fact dare I say, that we should be hearing pastors reading more of the word and less of their notes, or random thoughts, or some book they read, or the newspaper, or the radio, or the TV, or something they read off the computer; maybe if they did that there would be less confusion over what God's word is saying!

Both Adam and Eve had an unwarranted desire for forbidden knowledge which seems to be a nature of mankind to be curious which can lead to danger. The gravity of the offense consisted not in the act itself but in the fact that Adam and Eve committed it consciously and deliberately against God's explicit and emphatic command...they disobeyed God.
 
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A cheeky response would be to say, "Nothing, she didn't eat an apple, she ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil." Seriously though, we can never know more that what the Bible actually says. We have recorded a dialog between Eve and the serpent, after which Eve eats the fruit and gives the fruit to Adam who also eats. The Bible doesn't record any dialog between the serpent and Adam, or between Adam and Eve.

So anything else, is speculation. As it is written, Adam might not have been there, but if he was there why didn't he do anything to stop Eve from eating? Or did he hear the dialog between Eve and the serpent and want to eat the fruit himself, but he let Eve go first to see what dying looks like? What's dying when you've never seen it before. Is it something really terrible, or is it just a minor thing?
 
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See, my remembrance of this story takes me back to preschool. I'm only now revisiting it. So the memory is that the fruit is an apple (common depiction)

Anyway. That's an interesting question. Would Adam and Eve really have an adequate concept of what dying really meant? My guess is no, otherwise they never would have partook. Why did God then not give them such understanding in full? It sounds like it was only a matter of time before curiosity overcame the love of God and His provisions and that God expected it.
 
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A cheeky response would be to say, "Nothing, she didn't eat an apple, she ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil." Seriously though, we can never know more that what the Bible actually says. We have recorded a dialog between Eve and the serpent, after which Eve eats the fruit and gives the fruit to Adam who also eats. The Bible doesn't record any dialog between the serpent and Adam, or between Adam and Eve.

So anything else, is speculation. As it is written, Adam might not have been there, but if he was there why didn't he do anything to stop Eve from eating? Or did he hear the dialog between Eve and the serpent and want to eat the fruit himself, but he let Eve go first to see what dying looks like? What's dying when you've never seen it before. Is it something really terrible, or is it just a minor thing?

The subject of Adam being there with Eve is not speculative at all IF you believe the Word of God to be accurate. Look up that portion of scripture in any of the main Bible translations and they all say Adam who was with her or words to that effect. This means that Adam heard the dialog but did not try to stop Eve from doing what she was going to do, probably because he wanted to be like God to; remember this is the same reason Lucifer fell, he wanted to be like God, now Lucifer is tempting man with the same temptation he fell with, and it's the same thing that man has struggled with since. Satan also added in the unbelief thought when he said that God was basically lieing them when God said if you eat of that tree you will surely die, and man struggles with unbelief. Man thinks he doesn't need God, man is wise enough that they can take care of themselves without God ruling over us, man wants to be independant; remember what the children of Israel did? They were original governed by God, but they wanted a human ruler not some God.

Now I understand there are some commentaries out there that say that Adam was not with her, those commentaries are in error, they were written by man and man makes errors, there are also commentaries out there that say man was with her, and those are correct if you believe the word of God to mean what it says, Adam who was with her. Commentaries are usually written by a male, and as a man they do not want to believe that they made the mistake of not trying to prevent Eve from eating, no it's the fault of the woman and not man, in fact that is the chief complaint that Adam uses with God when God question Adam a bit later after the event when God "wonders" why Adam and Eve covered themselves!! God never wondered about it by the way, He already knew what they had done, God simply wanted man to see how far they would go to cover up their sin now that they have this supposedly profound wisdom...a wisdom that will fail man. And you find commentaries adding words to the scripture like Matthew Pooles where the commentary says: "Gave also unto her husband with her, who by this time was returned to her, and who now was with her; or, that he might eat with her, and take his part of that fruit." Nowhere in verse 6 does it say or hints that Adam returned to her, this is speculative, this is trying to make man seem like he's innocent of her behavior and knew nothing about it, again an excuse.

Also, the Bible being studied by gentiles do not understand the Bible through Jewish thought because we're not Jewish, there are a lot of traditions and cultural stuff within the Jewish system that helps to illuminate customs and certain ways the Bible says things that we as Gentiles miss. And one of those things is this verse 6 in discussion, according to Jewish culture and readings, Adam was with Eve the whole time. One of their commentaries words it like this:

"The Jews infer from hence, that Adam was with her all the while, and heard the discourse between the serpent and her, yet did not interpose nor dissuade his wife from eating the fruit, and being prevailed upon by the arguments used; or however through a strong affection for his wife, that she might not die alone, he did as she had done, and he did eat; on which an emphasis may be observed, for it was upon his eating the fate of his posterity depended; for not the woman but the man was the federal head, and he sinning, all his posterity sinned in him, and died in him; through this offence judgment came upon all to condemnation; all became sinners, and obnoxious to death, Romans 5:12."

Also a Gentile commentary written by Keil and Delitzsch also agrees with the Jewish interpretation.

Getting back to the Adam was with Eve thing; the other thing the Bible says, to prove that Adam was with her, is that Eve eats part of the fruit then hands the rest to Adam, that can only happen if Adam is with her, which it states that he was after the words say Eve hands the fruit to Adam. Adam was just extremely passive about the whole event, as if he was afraid to upset Eve if he tried to stop her...though that is speculative.

And to say that Adam was out communing with God while this was all going on between Eve and the Serpent is even more ridiculas because that means that God, who knows everything, failed to realize that the Serpent was in the midst of a conversation to mislead Eve and then God failed to tell Adam anything about it? LOL, that's so absurd! That's implying that God either doesn't know everything that is going on, or that God didn't care, or God was allowing Satan to fool man, or all three, neither of which would have happened had Adam been communing with God, in fact if Adam had been communing with God God would have sent man to Eve prior to the discussion with the Serpent to prevent her from falling into his trap. If you had a son, and you send that son out to set a new bear trap out next to old rusty one that is set also and hiding, would you not warn the son that there is bear trap hiding that is set so be careful? or would you let just wonder out there hoping he won't get caught in it?

As an odd note; has anyone ever bothered to notice that there is no shock, or no surprise in the tone of the subject about Eve talking with an animal? An animal, animals can't supposedly communicate with man, at least in that sort of detail, yet there is no shock or surprise that this serpent can communicate with mankind with complete intelligence equal to at least their own...why is that? Could it be that before the fall of man that man could indeed carry on rational discussions with animals? Speculative? sure, but...
 
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She also gave some to her husband WHO WAS WITH HER, and he ate it.
You're adding words that are not there based on assumption while disregarding the rest of the Scripture.
Genesis 3 - Hebrew English Translation Massoretic Text MT Interlinear Holy Name King James Version KJV Strong's Concordance Online Parallel Bible Study

While both were guilty of disobeying God, who received the greater punishment? Obviously Eve did, because she both disobeyed God and propagated/promoted the act onto Adam. Who was the first to get blamed? Eve. Who was the next to get blamed? The Serpent. It doesn't make much sense if Adam was privy to the conversation between Eve and the Serpent at the time it was occurring that he would lay the blame squarely on Eve and not even mention the Serpent. Just follow the flow: Serpent --> Eve --> Adam, and then the blame: Adam --> Eve --> Serpent.
 
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It doesn't make much sense if Adam was privy to the conversation between Eve and the Serpent at the time it was occurring that he would lay the blame squarely on Eve and not even mention the Serpent. Just follow the flow: Serpent --> Eve --> Adam, and then the blame: Adam --> Eve --> Serpent.
Are you saying the serpent tempted Eve and Eve in turn tempted Adam?
 
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Are you saying the serpent tempted Eve and Eve in turn tempted Adam?

1 Timothy 2:14 "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression."
Eve heeded the words of the Serpent, and Adam heeded the words of his wife, Eve.
 
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1 Timothy 2:14 "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression."
Eve heeded the words of the Serpent, and Adam heeded the words of his wife, Eve.
The very verse you quote shows that Adam was not deceived, his sin was deliberate.
 
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The very verse you quote shows that Adam was not deceived, his sin was deliberate.
Adam was not deceived by the Serpent as Eve was. However, they both deliberately ate that which God had commanded them not to. Eve even retorted to the Serpent that they were commanded not to eat of that particular tree.
 
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This why that sin is referred as the sin of Adam, nowhere does it say the sin of Eve, thus Eve didn't sin but was rather deceived, Adam wasn't deceived therefore it was deliberate thus a sin against God. However the sin went in a different direction too, When God ordained marriage he stated that " A man shall leave his father and mother and cling to his wife, and the two of them shall be one", (Gen 2:24). Thus it is the man who leads the marriage and is its head; but this makes him finally responsible for what takes place in that marriage, and since he did not protect Eve from the Serpent's deception Adam sinned there to because it was his responsibility to take care of her. So as the head of the marriage Adam was responsible for Eve being deceived and falling to that. Really you ask? Yes really, who did God call out to when He went to find the couple? Did God call out to Eve?

Men out there reading this, you all better wake up. It's your responsibility to be the spiritual head of your household, by failing to do that you are failing to protect your wife and children, it's your, ours, since I'm a husband as well, protecting your household from the enemy is your number one responsibility, protecting it from ALL error, sin, and threats. Now of course it's impossible to live a sin free life, but we are not to surrender to that thought either like a lot of people do today, we are to fight against it.

Side note. There maybe a single mom reading this and wondering who is going to protect her. Mom has to step outside what was ordained by God and become the "man" of the family, that responsibility of protecting her kids spiritually falls on her because she inherited the position of head of the household by default.

Since we have established that Adam was not deceived and his act was deliberate brings us to another question. If Adam was not deceived by the tempter, could he have corrected Eve’s deceived mind by making her aware that she was directed by the deceiver to believe something false? Or could it be that he lacked knowledge to have done so?

The last question is actually very easy to answer, he couldn't have possibly lacked the knowledge because he walked with God and listened to all that God was telling him for who knows how long before Eve was created.

Now the first question was answered above, yes Adam could have corrected her and lead her away from the Serpent and did the job of being the spiritual head of his family.
 
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..really..**shaking my head chuckling**
Or he could be wondering how to answer Eve's question and keep living for more than 30 seconds: "Does this fig leaf make me look fat?"
 
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