Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
Satan is an angel, he has seen God. He knows God. He believes God exists, He knows Christ.
The demons BELIEVE. They will not submit. Clearly the word believe is not just a word, it is a surrender of the reins to the Spirit of God.
Mat 15:8
‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.”
Luke 6:46
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
47 Whosoever comes to me, and hears my sayings, and does them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
48 He is like a man which built an house, and dug deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
Job 1:6
One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”
8 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”
9 “Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. 10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”
12 The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.”
Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.
James 2:18
Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
You people?-Why do you people who believe it takes more than belief in Jesus to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life salvation. Redefine the word belief to include obedience, submission, etc.. and pull in angels and demons to the salvation of humans. When Eternal Life salvation is only for humans who have Adam as their father.
The problem isn't the quote, "once saved always saved" as this is a truth. If you are saved and in some ways that includes the prodigal son because he was first saved and then became the prodigal son and came back. So he was stilled saved. You may go off Gods path and into the wilderness. But God will never abandon you.They believe in Once Saved Always Saved
People warn about Christians losing their salvation, and never being able to get it back.
What warnings do you have, and your advice on how to prevent loss of salvation if that is what you believe can happen.
Losing salvation is serious topic, it's not losing your car keys or your limbs, it is your soul for eternity. So what would you like to share.
Baptists and Calvinists are welcome here to debate
And Rom 5:1-5 written by Paul the apostle of the GENTILES wrote that HE turned one over to SATAN for the deathWouldn't you always be unsure whether you have lost your salvation then if you could lose it? Because nobody knows by which criteria you would lose it. I mean how many times would someone need to fall into sin before they would lose their salvation, nobody knows and you would then live your life in panic and fear because you would never know. But thankfully the Bible never teaches this but teaches the opposite, it's impossible to lose it once you're saved. It's a one time deal. You're passed from death unto life. Cannot reverse that.
The Second Confession is also good!Good day,
I always refer Baptist to the London Baptist confession of faith, regardless if they hold to historical doctrines of Grace or not.
In Him,
Bill
Indeed, its usually the 2nd London Baptist Confession of Faith (1689) that people mean when they talk of the London Baptist Confession of Faith. The First was written in 1644.The Second Confession is also good!
I just read Chapter 18 and I'm in love with it! It's WONDERFUL! Thank you so much!Indeed, its usually the 2nd London Baptist Confession of Faith (1689) that people mean when they talk of the London Baptist Confession of Faith. The First was written in 1644.
David Lamb and I aren't arguing 17th century British versus modern English.Why does the precision in language matter so much?
In some cases can understand in others I do not.
The Holy Spirit will not fail to lose us, so why does how we say it matter,? It's not saying anything different than I can see, tell, or notice.
Once we have the Holy Spirit, Christ is the center of the universe seen and what everything revolves around. "For in Him we live and move and have our being"
We are no longer our own, in quite the tangible way...
So why are we cautioned against saying once saved always saved - does this phrase fall short in declaring the absolute sovereignty of God in creating his Bride - and how?
It all really does sound like people arguing semantics all the time until someone is just a heretic, but I don't see the phrase as unbiblical in some way.
There's no chance that Christ will lose any that God gives to Him.
Sorry, I am not sure how your post relates to mine. All I was saying was that there are two London Baptist Confessions of Faith, one made in 1644, and the other in 1689, and that usually when people talk about "the London Baptist Confession of Faith" they mean the 1689. I didn't mention precision of language. Sorry for not understanding.Why does the precision in language matter so much?
In some cases can understand in others I do not.
The Holy Spirit will not fail to lose us, so why does how we say it matter,? It's not saying anything different than I can see, tell, or notice.
Once we have the Holy Spirit, Christ is the center of the universe seen and what everything revolves around. "For in Him we live and move and have our being"
We are no longer our own, in quite the tangible way...
So why are we cautioned against saying once saved always saved - does this phrase fall short in declaring the absolute sovereignty of God in creating his Bride - and how?
It all really does sound like people arguing semantics all the time until someone is just a heretic, but I don't see the phrase as unbiblical in some way.
There's no chance that Christ will lose any that God gives to Him.
We actually believe that all saved are secured by the Trinity Themselves, as the Holy Spirit seals us in Christ Jesus until the resurrect day Event , and that none really saved can ever get lostThey believe in Once Saved Always Saved
People warn about Christians losing their salvation, and never being able to get it back.
What warnings do you have, and your advice on how to prevent loss of salvation if that is what you believe can happen.
Losing salvation is serious topic, it's not losing your car keys or your limbs, it is your soul for eternity. So what would you like to share.
Baptists and Calvinists are welcome here to debate
First off, not all Baptists are Calvinists. Second, why would God save someone that He doesn't want saved? If you aren't saved, you aren't saved. If you are saved, is it temporary? What is the point of temporary salvation as if such a thing exists? How can salvation be defined as temporary? That isn't salvation! We aren't saved by works because works don't make us perfect.They believe in Once Saved Always Saved
People warn about Christians losing their salvation, and never being able to get it back.
What warnings do you have, and your advice on how to prevent loss of salvation if that is what you believe can happen.
Losing salvation is serious topic, it's not losing your car keys or your limbs, it is your soul for eternity. So what would you like to share.
Baptists and Calvinists are welcome here to debate
If a true saved somehow cna now lost again, that would mean that the Holy Spirit sealing on them could be broken, but since the Holy Spirit is Himself God, who can overpower Him then?First off, not all Baptists are Calvinists. Second, why would God save someone that He doesn't want saved? If you aren't saved, you aren't saved. If you are saved, is it temporary? What is the point of temporary salvation as if such a thing exists? How can salvation be defined as temporary? That isn't salvation! We aren't saved by works because works don't make us perfect.
I'm wondering how people can disagree with you and Clare73.If a true saved somehow cna now lost again, that would mean that the Holy Spirit sealing on them could be broken, but since the Holy Spirit is Himself God, who can overpower Him then?
They cling to the notion that man is able to choose God and believe by his own power, that it is man's own power which keeps him and, therefore, man can fall by his own failure of power.I'm wondering how people can disagree with you and Clare73.
They wish to be able to exercise "full free will", so that in a sense participate with God in getting them saved, so that would also mean still can get themselves unsaved if they chose to do thatThey cling to the notion that man is able to choose God and believe by his own power, that it is man's own power which keeps him and, therefore, man can fall by his own failure of power.
Even though we are slaves to sin (Jn 8:34, Ro 7:25, 11:32, Gal 3:12).They wish to be able to exercise "full free will",
so that in a sense participate with God in getting them saved, so that would also mean still can get themselves unsaved if they chose to do that
True, but many today refuse that notion, as still see us as being "basically good"Even though we are slaves to sin (Jn 8:34, Ro 7:25, 11:32, Gal 3:12).
Slaves are not free.
Using the wrong measure. . .more evidence of man's corrupt nature.True, but many today refuse that notion, as still see us as being "basically good"
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?