What value is Homosexuality to society?

[Zebra1552]

I have no idea why you guys are bothering to reason with him. There is nothing to be gained from it.

Sure there is, he ends up showing the rest of the forum what his motives are. In the process, it is made clear that he's not following that which he claims to. I told Zaac and him and LittleNipper that if they want to continue to post in a way that turns people off to the Gospel, they will find me telling people that they don't represent all of Christianity in their posts. LittleNipper had the sense to not pick that fight. Zaac has been silent, and this guy has continued. I'm a very persistent person.

 

[Zebra1552]

QUOTE: Get it yourself since you're the one asserting people need to be preached at. Show that there's a need for it. RESPONSE: Just as I thought, a throw away line to cover lack of evidence.

Lack of evidence? Look at post 503 and the link in it.

 

[marksman007]

QUOTE: Iowa Independent: Two Religious Groups say FRC 'Abortion Mandate' Claims Are MisleadingRH Reality Check: Another FRC Ad is MisleadingDemocratic Underground: FRC's Tony Perkins Lies About InvitationPeople for the American Way: FRC Caught Spreading Lies About Hate Crimes Prevention ActRESPONSE: I asked for evidence, not the rantings of newspapers, subversive groups opposed to christianity and some other group I have never heard of."Two Religious Groups" is not exactly evidence. If you said that to atheists, they would laugh at you.

 

[Zebra1552]

Do you have ESP? As you do not know me how do you know what I don't know? I have spent 20 years studying the homosexual culture and receive information from all over the world. Plus I spent two years interviewing and counselling homosexuals and have written papers on the subject. In additon I have many large volumes on my bookshelves detailing various aspects of the homosexuals experience. Not content with that, I have visited all sorts of homosexual venues to get a first hand look at what they do when they are not fornicating. Then I put all this knowledge to good use and started what has become an international ministry to help those who are not comfortable with being homosexual. However, I realise that all this is invalid as you have made it clear that your knowledge is superior to anyone else who might know something.

I honestly don't care. You are a random guy from the internet, and you have not cited anything that would convince me that the information you are giving is in any way reliable. You have not given scholarly sources, you claim to have experience. Guess what? I have experience too. For all you know, I spent 40 years doing the same thing and came up with different conclusions.

 

[Zebra1552]

QUOTE: If you're going to quote, start citing where you're getting it. Otherwise no one will care to respond.RESPONSE; I will when you do.

You'd best be citing then...

 

[nolongerhome]

Sure there is, he ends up showing the rest of the forum what his motives are. In the process, it is made clear that he's not following that which he claims to. I told Zaac and him and LittleNipper that if they want to continue to post in a way that turns people off to the Gospel, they will find me telling people that they don't represent all of Christianity in their posts. LittleNipper had the sense to not pick that fight. Zaac has been silent, and this guy has continued. I'm a very persistent person.

Seriously, his motives are clear. He has admitted that he is a member of an organisation that believes that through belief in Christianity he can make gay people straight. He isn't going to change his minds, he isn't going to get any more reasonable.

If anyone hasn't seen this yet... well, they are blind. The horse is dead, there is no need to flog it. The more you post, the more he posts, so it is actually counter-productive.

 

[marksman007]

QUOTE: Again, posting a blob of junk together doesn't get responses. Oh, and it's rude to shout at people. RESPONSE: I was hoping that you would not bring this up because I didn't want to make you look stupid. I am not shouting. I am making it easier for you to sort out my words from yours. I am doing this as the computer does not seem to be able to use the usual "quotes" feature at the moment nor the underline, intalic or bold feature.

 

[marksman007]

QUOTE: Marksman, if you want to quote someone from 5 pages back, it is useful to reference the post number.RESPONSE: Thanks that is a very good idea. I hadn't thought of that.

 

[marksman007]

QUOTE: No, that's the impression you get after you become irrational and don't bother to read my posts in context, nevermind the stuff I cited during that conversation with Zaac. RESPONSE: Twice you have said the bible is not the word of God.

 

[Zebra1552]

Seriously, his motives are clear. He has admitted that he is a member of an organisation that believes that through belief in Christianity he can make gay people straight. He isn't going to change his minds, he isn't going to get any more reasonable.

If anyone hasn't seen this yet... well, they are blind. The horse is dead, there is no need to flog it. The more you post, the more he posts, so it is actually counter-productive.

He's still turning people off from the Gospel. I'm not aiming to change his mind.

 

[Zebra1552]

QUOTE: No, that's the impression you get after you become irrational and don't bother to read my posts in context, nevermind the stuff I cited during that conversation with Zaac. RESPONSE: Twice you have said the bible is not the word of God.

...and said that Jesus IS.

QUOTE: Again, posting a blob of junk together doesn't get responses. Oh, and it's rude to shout at people. RESPONSE: I was hoping that you would not bring this up because I didn't want to make you look stupid. I am not shouting. I am making it easier for you to sort out my words from yours. I am doing this as the computer does not seem to be able to use the usual "quotes" feature at the moment nor the underline, intalic or bold feature.

That's nice. It's called html, try learning it. You can still hit the quote button or give a post number.

 

[marksman007]

QUOTE: The topic changed when you, Zaac, and LittleNipper decided to start preaching at people and ignoring my warnings. It's been on this topic for over 200 posts now, for over half the thread. You can't just change the topic back because you don't like where it's leading. Address the concerns. RESPONSE: And perhaps you would like to address our concerns of you attacking Christians all the time.

 

[marksman007]

QUOTE:Then quote where you got it from and give the context. RESPONSE: I will when you do.

 

[marksman007]

485: Seeing as you're attacking their logic with the impression that you know more about logic than they do? Yeah, I'll defend them. Logic is dead useful.RESPONSE: Logic is dead useful for what?

 

[marksman007]

475: Show that I do. Cite where I have attacked another Christian, including post number at the very least. RESPONSE: 401/05/10/13/17/20/22/28/31/32/34/39/40/44/50/53/55/56/57/59/62/64/68/71/76 to name a few.

 

[David Brider]

Do you have ESP? As you do not know me how do you know what I don't know? I have spent 20 years studying the homosexual culture and receive information from all over the world. Plus I spent two years interviewing and counselling homosexuals and have written papers on the subject.

Honestly? I don't believe you. If you had, then you wouldn't get so much about homosexuals so glaringly wrong. The fact that you refer to "the homosexual culture" and (elsewhere) to "the homosexual lifestyle" and "the homosexual agenda" is a pretty good pointer to the fact that you don't actually know the first thing about homosexuals - because if you did, you'd be well aware that there is no single monolithic homosexual culture and no single monolithic homosexual lifestyle and no single monolithic homosexual agenda. Just millions of homosexual men and women with their own lifestyles (many of which are not desperately different to the lifestyles of heterosexual men and women), many different cultures (including many which crossover with the cultures of heterosexual men and women) and each with their own agendas in life.

David.

 

[marksman007]

491:And I would think that you would be proud of him for doing such a good job of following the example you set. That you seem to be criticizing him for it appears to be hypocrisy.RESPONSE: Maren, it is best not to comment unless you have all the facts which are these. I wrote to him privately and graciously asked him not to attack christians on the board. I said if he had a problem with anyone to first raise it directly with them before going public. His response was no one tells me what to do. In all I emailed him 5 times to try and get him to back off but to no avail. It was happening long before I came on the scene so you comment about my hypocrisy is not valid. Having failed in private to ask him to be more circumspect it is my right to challenge him where I feel he is out of line. I cannot do much about that if you don't like it.

 

[marksman007]

491: I also have to agree with GodsChild that your methods of trying to preach the word are counter-productive. Part of it is that you've been shown how various of your sources flat out lie, yet you continue to repost them even after having it shown to you that they are false. But most of it is that you drive people away with the rhetoric you spout.RESPONSE: Again you are incorrect in your assumptions Maren. I have not been shown that what I posted is a lie. I have been told of other people's opinions but that is not evidence. For example, one so called piece of evidence was from "People for the American Way."This is an organisation of atheists that are committed to wiping out christianity in public life in America. Truth is not high on the agenda with this lot having read many of their publications. Their motto is "The end justifies the means".

 

[marksman007]

491: It is interesting that you keep trying to claim Paul to "prove" you are doing it the right way yet Paul did exactly what you are condemning GodsChild for. RESPONSE: I do not think that I have ever referred to Paul other than to say that sin was not on the menu. If you can find any other comment to back up what you claim please do

 

[marksman007]

See tjat ;ott;e bittpm at the lower right. below this text, that says "QUOTE"? Click on it. It copies the text inside quote marks in a response window, with a link back to where the member posted it.

People who care about their fellow man use this, as a courtesy. (It also is a lot easier than cutting and pasting, benefitting all concerned.)

And when you get around to it, you asked for evidence about the deceits of FRC. I gave you four, along with apposite Scripture quotes. Care to respond to them, on topic?

By the way, read Matthew 7:1-12, 22:34-40, and 25:31-46. Then be so kind as to let me know what those passages say to you about how Jesus says to treat your fellow man.

Thanks for that. I didn't know about that facility. As I said before, your four bits of evidence are not evidence they are opinions. Read the post about it and you will se why.