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What value is Homosexuality to society?

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marksman007

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My point is that you are then responsible for leading people away from the faith. If you don't believe me, then believe Polycarp. If you don't believe him, then believe Todd. If you don't believe him, then you're completely illogical.

First, thankyou for the techincal advice. My ignorance in this matter is very evidence.Second, Your God is too small. Being a Calvinist, a person who is going to be saved will be saved because he has been chosen before the foundation of the world. Very often what happens in the kingdom of God happens despite us, not because of us. But then God is gracious and love covers a multitude of sins. Whether I am good, bad or indifferent I know that God is crazy about me so I enjoy a very loving and personal relationship with him that fulfills all my needs. A bit like my relationship with my children. I don't stop loving them when they are not perfect. In fact, I probably love them more as I don't like seeing things go wrong for them.
 
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I am denying it because you didn't quote me attacking anyone. Not only that, you attacked me when I specifically asked you to quote where I attack someone.

Even though you said in the quote "you didn't quote me"
 
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I doubt the 40 years experience bit as you are only 22. Having been in senior management of multi-million dollar companies, I learnt that there are two ways you can learn. The hard way and the easy way.The hard way is to ignore eveyone else and do your own thing. The easy way is to learn from and listen to people who have already done it. It doesn't mean you won't make mistakes but it does mean that you will make a lot less than going your own way. I have a distinct feeling that you are going to learn life the hard way.
 
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He's still turning people off from the Gospel. I'm not aiming to change his mind.

If you believe God's word that you are chosen before the foundation of the world as I do because I find the bible very reliable, it is impossible for anyone who is chosen to be turned off. The only reason they would be turned off is due to the fact that they are not chosen and the reason they are not chosen is because God knew that when they are presented with the gospel they would reject the salvation he offers.
 
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There are none so blind as those that will not see...

The link directs me to page 12 and on that page are the following posts....111-Argent Bear; 112-Little Nipper; 113-Belk; 114-Gishin; 115-Little Nipper; 116-Little Nipper; 117-God'sChild; 118-Lady Kate; 119-Zaac; 120-Little Nipper. I think your quote applies to you.
 
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Actually, you have been shown that what you are posted is a lie. You continually post things that refer to a "Dutch Study" and sometimes they actually link to what the Dutch study is. You have been shown by multiple people that this study, rather than showing promiscuity in homosexuals, actually excluded homosexuals that were not homosexual. In fact, we've linked exactly where you can go to read the study. Trying to portray a study that purposely excludes people that are monogamous as "evidence" is lying, period. Sure, someone maybe made a mistake in referring to it the first time but, having it pointed out, that they continue to use that study (and that you continue to use it as evidence that all homosexuals are promiscuous) shows that they are lying to support their agenda. And that is just one example. There are other studies where we've posted what the facts of the studies are, what the studies themselves say (and not what others say about them) complete with links, and you have ignored it. And this is not an assumption, this is what has been shown on this thread to you by multiple posters.
 
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Here's the text again, since you don't seem to be able to find it...



Well, that didn't address what I was talking about at all, now did it? Please try and keep up with the topic. Which is:


You know Marksman007, Zaac...

You're on a message board with both Christians and non-Christians. I'd venture a guess and say that no non-Christian will ever convert to your religion because of what you're spouting. That means if you're really trying to use this board to minister, you're failing.. miserably. But you know what, I don't think either of you are.

Now, you can do the whole "I don't change hearts, the holy spirit changes hearts" spiel I (and everyone else here) have heard a million times, but I think the truth is you don't care that no one will listen to your message, because you're just paying lip service to your god in order to throw out disdain and hatred. I think if you were given proof your methods of witnessing actually turned people further away from your religion, which I'm sure it has, it wouldn't make any difference to you at all.

You really think that if your god exists he doesn't see your failures as witnesses as anything but either pig headed stupidity, or outright deceit? You really think you're going to get to heaven and say "I witnessed to people like you said to" without your god saying back "You knew very well what you were doing was counter productive"? I suppose you could blather on about hardened hearts and unrepentant sinners, but you really think your omniscient god isn't going to see through that and call you out on what any child can see... that to convince a particular audience of something you have to play to that audience? But like I already said, I don't think you care.

And what's worse, when one of your own tries to call you out on it, you immediately become rude and accuse him of not being one of you. Godschild87, while I don't agree with your theology, I have to give you props for being intelligent enough to go about it in the right way.

I swear, we non-believers don't actually have to do anything to see the eventual collapse of your religion. You guys are doing an excellent job of destroying it from within...
 
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That's a very shallow reason for getting to know someone. It suggests that the people you know lack self-esteem, in that they are not comfortable and secure in themselves and need to find validation through imitating others. Various friends have introduced me to new music or suggested clothing styles that might suit me, but I don't change my entire music collection or wardrobe to copy them. Same goes for relationships.
 
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What you would suggest is that I tell people what their itching ears want to hear instead of what God's word says.

As will be the case during the time of Tribulation, God right now will let folks reject the Gospel and continue to believe the lies that they want.

Doesn't mean that the Body of Christ is to capitulate to those who do not want to hear and stop preaching His Truth.
 
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Noooooo....

Look, you ALREADY admitted that the manner in which you preach affects your success rate. So you agree that there's more than one way to present your information. When dealing with any particular type of non-believers you can:

A.) Adjust the manner you use for that individual to try and increase your success rate. Which you admit works.

or...

B.) Don't. In which case your success rate drops. Probably dramatically.

It's that simple.

So which is it?
 
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What is being suggested is that you preach, and live, the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Not what the Republican Party, the bibliolaters, the homophobic lobbiers, the society-is-doomed apocalypts, the secular humanists, the one-size-fits-all universalists, or any other group wants you to say, but what Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior wants you to say.

And I humbly submit to you that He does not want you to look like a Pharisee condemning sinners but rather to let them know that there is salvation and forgiveness and plentiful love in His Father's arms.

May His peace be with you, Zaac.
 
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I don't have a problem with folks accusing me of Bibliolatry. I have consistently found that to be an accusation levied by those who frown upon Christians standing firmly on Scripture as given in the Bible as God's word.

For me as a man of God, Scripture is authoritative because It is the inspired word of God. And Godschild and everyone else can make up every excuse in the world for why It is not and I am STILL gonna preach It as the authoritative word of God.

Without fail, the reason there are so many false teachers masquerading as men and women of God but who really need to just sit down and be quiet is because they have a problem with Scripture being the authoritative word of God.

That's why confusion is bred.

Anytime I see a so called Christian saying that Scripture as given in the Bible is not God's word, I don't receive any sort of counsel from them cause their is NO WAY they can be aligned with God.
 
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Let me explain something for those of you not in the know. Christ draws men unto Himself. All I am to do is preach what He says to preach in a loving manner and watch Him move.

I don't have to jump through any hoops and put on a show in order to see someone successfully led to Christ. There is no step action table to be followed to win someone to Christ. He turns the hearts as HE chooses.

I am simply to make myself available and do what HE says how He says to do it.

So to answer your question. Neither A nor B. Christ ALONE saves. ANd if I am sharing the Gospel in love as He says, the success rate is dependent upon how HE moves, not me.
 
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Leaving aside any questions regarding the methodology of these studies, as I don't feel qualified to comment on them- So? Why is sexual fidelity such a sine qua non for you? What about emotional fidelity? If a couple decides between themselves to have an open relationship, what's the problem? It's not your thing, and you don't like it, but why are you the arbiter of what makes a relationship valid? The 'Cleave unto only' clause is not a given in civil marriages, I know several married couples who have not included it and therefore can't break that vow. When that clause is included, it's often in a religious context, and the social expectation of sexual fidelity is very strong. It's cultural expectation that reinforces monogamy in marriage (um, tautology?), and as cultures change, the expectations change as well. As for the supposed promiscuity of gay men- well, some gay men have a lot of sexual encounters, true. So do some straight men. Gay men maybe have more because (and I'm about to make a major generalisation here, and I know it is not an absolute statement of fact, but it's true enough) in the main, men are horn-dogs. Not all, of course, but generally speaking, men are more up for casual sex than women are. This may be a cultural thing, or a genetic thing, but whatever the reason, a man offered the chance of a one-night-stand will be more likely to accept the offer than a woman would be.
 
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And that's exactly what I am doing. Yall just don't think so because doing so directs me to preach against the sin of which so many of you approve.

And I humbly submit to you that He does not want you to look like a Pharisee condemning sinners but rather to let them know that there is salvation and forgiveness and plentiful love in His Father's arms.

And I humbly submit to you that a man is not gonna seek forgiveness if no one ever tells him that what he is doing is a sin. All the masses on this board do is affirm as unsinful that which God calls sin. When I stand before Him and give an account, I will do so with a clear conscience that I did what HE says instead of what men THINK I should do.
 
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