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Well, you just showed your error of presuming that a "context" gives a "name" to a "kingdom of heaven".So you are telling me you cannot discern the CONTEXT of these passages
The fallacy of your claims is to prove where Jesus "named" that kingdom as "the Jewish Kingdom". It's just your opinion.
Again, the fallacy of your claims is to prove whre Jesus "names that kingdom as "the Christian Kingdom". It's just your opinion.
God's kingdom is everything. He created the entire universe and everything beyond, so the "kingdom of heaven" refers to everything He created.
You haven't shown where Jesus gave a name to ANY "kingdom of heaven". So your claim is merely empty.
Well, you just showed your error of presuming that a "context" gives a "name" to a "kingdom of heaven".
Rather than your wimpy "think deeper" challenge, it seems you have simply gone into the DEEP END.This is WHY I said you must THINK DEEPER.
Tell me... WHO are the people in Matthew 22:2-7?
If you cannot discern WHO they are then you are not
qualified or capable of offering an "informed opinion"
on those verses because you don't know the context.
Again... do not assume Biblical Truth is limited to what
YOU KNOW... it most certainly is not.
God's kingdom doesn't change like shifting shadows or sand in the wind, as you seem to think.Yes, God created everything. Does that mean the
Pre-Flood Kingdom (or world) is the SAME as the post-flood.
Do you see how EASY it is to show your shallow understanding?
Paul, the greatest evangelist ever, would have said YES to this question. This is his testimony:I already told you, you must THINK DEEPER.
Was the Jewish Kingdom (and the Jewish Gospel) the SAME
as the Christian Kingdom (and the Christian Gospel)?
Same Creator. Same King. Your are simply in the deep end.God created everything... both the Jewish Kingdom/Gospel
and the Christian Kingdom/Gospel... but that DOES NOT MEAN
they are the same.
OK, wise one, what NAME did Jesus GIVE to this kingdom of heaven in Matt 22?Jesus certainly did give a NAME to the "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 22:2-7 because He explained the CONTEXT of the
passage was the Jewish Kingdom.
But you've been going around claiming that Jesus NAMED all 5 of your so-called kingdoms. Now you are back peddling.Likewise, Jesus did not have to NAME the "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 13 as "Christian" because He explained the CONTEXT
of the passage.
I don't find a blue word "eternal" with brackets around it in my Bible.The same applies to WHO is the context of the "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 13
The same applies to WHO is the context of the "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 25:1
The same applies to WHO is the context of the "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 8... can you REALLY not understand the context
of this "Kingdom of Heaven"?
Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from
the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac,
and Jacob, in the [eternal] Kingdom of Heaven.
You need to get out of the deep end.Start THINKING about the context of the passage.
You cannot hope to understand the MEANING of the passage
when you cannot discern the context.
Jim
Yeah, I thought it was pretty funny myself.LOL
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FreeGrace2 said: ↑
The fallacy of your claims is to prove where Jesus "named" that kingdom as "the Jewish Kingdom". It's just your opinion.
lol. All the pretense is is on you. For claiming that Jesus gave names to "the kingdom of heaven".No... you can PRETEND that all you want.
OK. So what? How does that "name" a "kingdom of heaven"? You haven't explained how that names a kingdom.But we know that JESUS was not telling a fairy tale
and He was not LYING... He was talking about a specific
group of PEOPLE (being called to the "marriage" of his son)
of course I can discern WHO the people are. So what? How does that result in naming a kingdom?If you cannot discern WHO those people were...
even after I explained it in detail to you... then I cannot
help you. You must remain in blissful ignorance or denial.
Jim
I asked "kingdom guy", regarding context and the people in that context:
"How does that "name" a "kingdom of heaven"? You haven't explained how that names a kingdom."
As usual, no answer. Just crickets.
The truth: he has no answers. Just a bunch of opinions.
A word salad is what you gave.I answered you...
you did not LIKE the answer
YOU specifically stated that Jesus NAMED "kingdoms of heaven". But in EVERY context, what I saw Jesus say was "THE kingdom of heaven".
Well, at least you are NOW admitting your error about what you have been claiming what Jesus said. Jesus NEVER NAMED any kingdom of heaven.That is correct...
You're wasing your time."The Kingdom of Heaven"
BTW... I will be kind enough to add some context
[in blue ink] to help you understand the meaning of verses
<yawn>(1) During the Pre-Flood days "The Kingdom of Heaven"
contained all the Saints from Adam to Noah. It's just too difficult
for you to understand the PEOPLE and the GOSPELS and the
WORLDS were DIFFERENT for the Pre-Flood Saints and the
Jewish Saints... Is that reality to complex for you to understand?
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(2) During the OT days "The Kingdom of Heaven" contained
all the Jews that God saved... and then God later DESTROYED
"The Kingdom of Heaven" of the Jews, because they were not faithful. Please do not believe me... see what JESUS said when
He specifically NAMED "The Kingdom of Heaven" of the Jews.
Mat 22:2 The Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a certain king,
which made a marriage for his son, 3 And sent forth his servants
to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not
come. 4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which
are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my
fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm,
another to his merchandise: 6 And the remnant took his servants,
and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. 7 But when the king
[God] heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies,
and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
Now understand this.... those PRETENDING there was only ONE
"Kingdom of Heaven" on earth, must then explain HOW it was
DESTROYED in Matthew 22:7. Are you REALLY going to pretend
the ONLY [and eternal] "Kingdom of Heaven" was DESTROYED
at the end of the Old Testament... as the New Testament Kingdom
began?
Joh_4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest. [the harvest of the
LAST Jewish Saints into the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".]
Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God
SHALL BE TAKEN from you [the Jews], AND GIVEN to a nation
bringing forth the fruits thereof. [the Christians] 21:45 And when
the chief priests and Pharisees had heard His parables,
they perceived that he spake of them.
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So, we have The Kingdom of Heaven of the Pre-Flood destroyed,
and we have The Kingdom of Heaven of the OT destroyed....
and we have The Kingdom of Heaven of the NT destroyed.
First, let's establish there was a separate NT Kingdom of Heaven...
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(3) Jesus specifically NAMED The Kingdom of Heaven of the NT
in eight (8) different verses of Matthew 13 (and many other verses)
I will only focus on two (2) of these passages because there can be
no SERIOUS denial these verses are talking about the NT Kingdom...
and NOT the Pre-Flood "Kingdom", or the Jewish "Kingdom" or
the ETERNAL "Kingdom".
Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying,
The Kingdom of Heaven is likened unto a man which sowed
good seed in his field:
Mat 13:47 Again, The Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a net,
that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
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I promised to show The Kingdom of Heaven of the NT destroyed.
So pay attention... this will be some New Information for you
When the "testimony" of the church is "finished" [Rev 11:7]
(the two candlesticks and two olive trees represent the NT church)
and the LAST SAINT has been "saved/sealed" [Rev 7:1-3] then
the Holy Spirit is "taken out of the way" [2Thess 2:6-9] and the
Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" is finished BEFORE Satan can be "loosened" from the Bottomless Pit [Rev 9:1-12] so he can RULE the last "wheat and tares" during his "Little Season" [Rev 20:3]
which is also shown as the Revelation Beast and Great Tribulation.
The last "wheat and tares" are called the "ten virgins" [Mat 25:1-13]
who "went forth" from the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" as they
preach the Gospel of the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".
This is AFTER the Holy Spirit has been "taken out of the way" and
Satan has been "loosened" to RULE during the Revelation Beast.
Mat 25:1
Then shall The Kingdom of Heaven [the Great Tribulation Kingdom]
be likened unto [look like] TEN VIRGINS, which took their lamps,
[their Gospels] and WENT FORTH [from the Christian Kingdom]
to meet the bridegroom [Jesus]. 2 And five of them were wise,
[saved wheat] and five were foolish [unsaved tares].
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(4) Now... before we go any farther... for those PRETENDING there
is only ONE (1) "Kingdom of Heaven" on earth, we have just seen
JESUS CHRIST specifically NAME:
(1) The Kingdom of Heaven of the Old Testament
(2) The Kingdom of Heaven of the New Testament
(3) The Kingdom of Heaven of the Great Tribulation
There can be no dispute about the FINAL "Kingdom of Heaven"
which is ETERNAL (not temporal like the others) and contains ONLY
the Saints from the previous four (4) "Kingdoms of Heaven",
(while the temporal Kingdoms had BOTH saved and unsaved men)
Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in The Kingdom of Heaven. [the Eternal Kingdom of Heaven]
Only a complete FOOL will argue the Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven"
[Mat 8:11] is the SAME "Kingdom of Heaven" of the OT period
(which had saved and unsaved - and was destroyed) or the SAME "Kingdom of Heaven" of the NT era (which had saved and unsaved and was destroyed as the Holy Spirit was "taken out of the way")
or the SAME as the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" (which
had saved and unsaved men - and is destroyed at Christ's Return)
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(5) Now some Truth on the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
The "ten virgins" that "went forth" from the Christian Kingdom into
the Great Tribulation Kingdom are also called ten "horns/kings" that
are RULED by the Anti-christ (and called "the saints") in Dan 7:24-25
and they are AGAIN called ten "horns/kings" that agree to give their
"power and strength" to the Revelation Beast [Rev 17:12-13] and
they "agree to give their KINGDOM to the Beast" [Rev 17:17]
That is WHY the LAST SAINT had to be "saved/sealed" [Rev 7:1-3]
and the Holy Spirit had to be "taken out of the way" [2Th 2:6-9]
BEFORE Satan could RULE the last "wheat and tares" during the
Revelation Beast/Daniel's Fourth Beast/Great Tribulation Kingdom
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(6) A little EXTRA education for you:
The phrase "Kingdom of Heaven" is used thirty-three (33)
times in the Bible and EVERY TIME the phrase represents
the many unsaved "tares" and/or the few saved "wheat",
associated with preaching the "Word of the Kingdom"
(the Gospel) during one four (4) temporal Kingdoms on earth...
OR... it represents ONLY the saved "wheat" harvested into
the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven".
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In other words, the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven"
is also called the one (1) Eternal "Kingdom of God"
more on this interchangeability below
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The first four "Kingdoms of Heaven" are physical and temporal
Kingdoms... and there's a "harvest" of Saints at the end of each,
with the "Final Harvest" including only the "Wise Virgins" living
during the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
[Mat 25:1-13]
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The phrase "Kingdom of God" is used seventy (70) times
in the Bible and EVERY TIME it represents the Holy Spirit of God
and/or the souls (but not the bodies) of the saved "wheat"
who have been regenerated by His "indwelling" Holy Spirit.
TO BE CLEAR, the "Kingdom of God" IS A SUBSET of the
"Kingdoms of Heaven" since it ONLY includes the saved
"wheat", and none of the unsaved "tares".
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Therefore, the Bible can use the phrases interchangeably
when it focuses only on the "wheat" within the Kingdom.
When focused only on the "wheat", the Bible can use
"Kingdom of Heaven" OR "Kingdom of God". And that
is why we have several parallel passages in the Bible
that can (and do) interchange these two phrases.
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When presented with how the BIBLE DEFINES the
five (5) different "Kingdoms of Heaven" and the one (1)
Eternal "Kingdom of God". Many people are confused when
they see the terms used interchangeably. Remember, when
the CONTEXT of the verse is focused on ONLY the saved,
the Bible can (and does) use the terms interchangeably.
Once this reality is understood, it actually provides a new
(and wonderful) dimension to the way Scripture is written.
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Jim
Once again, there are many different peoples in God's Kingdom of Heaven. That doesn't result in many different kingdoms, as you so wrongly presume.
Any kingdom is made up of different peoples. And it's still one kingdom.
No, I REJECT your having more than 1 kingdom of heaven.So you think the unsaved Jews and unsaved Christians
are in the ETERNAL "Kingdom of Heaven"?
We've already been over this. There is NO SUCH THING as an "unsaved Christian". Such a claim is preposterous and reveals a very poor grasp of Scripture.So you think unsaved Jews and unsaved Christians
are in the ETERNAL "Kingdom of Heaven"
FreeGrace2 said: ↑
No, I REJECT your having more than 1 kingdom of heaven.
We've already been over this. There is NO SUCH THING as an "unsaved Christian".
By definition, a Christian is a saved person. I don't care what your opinion is.
I've already explained this to you. The "Kingdom of Heaven" is everything that God created. If you can't figure out the answer to your questions from that fact, you need help.Does that ONE Kingdom have saved and unsaved people?
Is that ONE Kingdom temporal or Eternal?
More fallacy. Matt 7:21-23 represents religious people. They are NOT Christians.That is what YOU say...
the Bible says there are MANY who call Jesus their "Lord"
who are unsaved Christians.
This is just a pitiful fallacy.No, that is you pretending again.
By DEFINITION a Christian is a person in the Christian Kingdom,
professing Christ as Lord... and that includes many unsaved
"tares" (sown by Satan)... try reading Mat 13:24-30]
No, I REJECT your having more than 1 kingdom of heaven.
In the world, there are only savee and unsaved people. Obviously.So the (temporal) Pre-Flood Kingdom of saved and unsaved
And the (temporal) Jewish Kingdom of saved and unsaved
And the (temporal) Christian Kingdom of saved and unsaved
And the (temporal) Great Tribulation of saved and unsaved
ha ha. You're the one with outlandish opinions.Well... you are entitled to your own opinion...
Yes, your 5 kingdoms do contradict Scripture, or at least cannot be supported by Scripture.no matter how much it contradicts Scripture (and History/reality)
In the world, there are only savee and unsaved people. Obviously.
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