What type of "evidence" of God would an atheist accept?

[Subduction Zone]

You didn't even bother reading what i show to you , before you even open the link you alredy gave that guy title "kook" , you are the ignorant one , if authour of that article would be Stepean Hawking you would read it .

Because it was the same kook that made the video and I found a source that refuted him.

Listen, if a fool can't get his idea over the relatively low bar of peer review it is almost certainly wrong. It does not count as evidence.

 

[Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4]

Because it was the same kook that made the video and I found a source that refuted him.

Listen, if a fool can't get his idea over the relatively low bar of peer review it is almost certainly wrong. It does not count as evidence.

Nicolas Copernicus had trouble with his flath earth peer aswell so , because one person thinks different that for you means you should just neglect it ?

 

[lesliedellow]

Nicolas Copernicus had trouble with his flath earth peer aswell so , because one person thinks different that for you means you should just neglect it ?

Why is it, I wonder, that the only people peddling the idea that the speed of light might be variable are all YECs? I would be highly sceptical of the Theory of Evolution, if the only people championing it were atheists. The difference is that the latter has won support from scientists of all religious traditions and none.

Nobody has believed the Earth was flat since at least 200BC. Copernicus' heliocentric theory was hotly debated, as are all new scientific theories, but the debate eventually gets settled when one theory, rather than the other, turns out to have greater explanatory power.

 

[Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4]

Why is it, I wonder, that the only people peddling the idea that the speed of light might be variable are all YECs?

Nobody has believed the Earth was flat since at least 200BC. Copernicus' heliocentric theory was hotly debated, as are all new scientific theories, but the debate eventually gets settled one way or the other when the one, rather than the other, turns out to have greater explanatory power.

It's to make point that truth is truth no matter if 99% of people believe it or 1% .

 

[lesliedellow]

It's to make point that truth is truth no matter if 99% of people believe it or 1% .

That may be, but I would need very good reason to believe that truth lay with the 1%; especially if they had no particular qualifications relative to the question in hand.

 

[Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4]

That may be, but I would need very good reason to believe that truth lay with the 1%; especially if they had no particular qualifications relative to the question in hand.

Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

 

[lesliedellow]

Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Well, well, I never did know that the speed of light was a salvation issue.

 

[Ahermit]

I'm curious to know what type of 'evidence' of God that the resident atheists around here might accept, and find compelling?

Grasping the concept of unconditional love. Until they do, they remain enslaved to conditional fear.

 

[Michael]

Mark 3:28-29
28Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

Can't be more clear than eternal damnation.

Someone can indeed mentally cut themselves off from the presence of God within, and deny it's existence too. That's a bit of self imposed "hell" I suppose, but it does *not* demonstrate a "malice" from God.

How do you even try to square the concept of God going out of his way to torment creations of his own design for the whole of eternity with Sermon on the Mount?

FYI, the concept of eternal torment does not and has not ever existed in Judaism, and Jesus was the *Jewish* Messiah.

Origin's teachings are entirely consistent with the afterlife beliefs of the Jews in Christ's audience, whereas Augustine's *pagan* concept of a perpetual Hades was not.

The path to God is through unconditional love, not by fear.

 

[Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4]

Someone can indeed mentally cut themselves off from the presence of God within, and deny it's existence too. That's a bit of self imposed "hell" I suppose, but it does *not* demonstrate a "malice" from God.

How do you even try to square the concept of God going out of his way to torment creations of his own design for the whole of eternity with Sermon on the Mount?

FYI, the concept of eternal torment does not and has not ever existed in Judaism, and Jesus was the *Jewish* Messiah.

Origin's teachings are entirely consistent with the afterlife beliefs of the Jews in Christ's audience, whereas Augustine's *pagan* concept of a perpetual Hades was not.

The path to God is through unconditional love, not by fear.

Proverbs 9:10

Untill you realise that you were lost and damned to hell , you don't need God .
None of Israel were appointed to hell , they were going to Abraham Bossom by believing in Messiah.

Luke 16:19-31

 

[Michael]

When was the last time you read the NT? It must have been a very long time ago, given that you don't seem able to recall its contents.

Probably around the same time you read a textbook by an astrophysics textbook written by an astrophysicist, rather than by an electrical engineer with an agenda.

Still waiting for a relevant citation.

I'm also waiting for you to wake up and smell the coffee as it relates the the importance of the electric field with respect to solar physics.

It's no accident that the bulk of all inbound cosmic rays are *positively* charged particles, or that that the sun's surface emits cathode rays. There's an *electrical* interaction happening which the mainstream simply ignores, which is why they have such a hard time explaining something as simple as an electrically generated corona.

Birkeland built *working* models of the solar atmosphere over 100 years ago, including coronal loops, a hot corona, both types of 'solar wind' particles, polar jets, cathode rays, etc, whereas the mainstream still cannot create a *working* model of a full sphere corona in 2017. How sad is that?

 

[Michael]

Grasping the concept of unconditional love. Until they do, they remain enslaved to conditional fear.

 

[lesliedellow]

Still waiting for a relevant citation.

I'm also waiting for you to wake up and smell the coffee as it relates the the importance of the electric field with respect to solar physics.

It's no accident that the bulk of all inbound cosmic rays are *positively* charged particles, or that that the sun's surface emits cathode rays. There's an *electrical* interaction happening which the mainstream simply ignores, which is why they have such a hard time explaining something as simple as an electrically generated corona.

Birkeland built *working* models of the solar atmosphere over 100 years ago, including coronal loops, a hot corona, both types of 'solar wind' particles, polar jets, cathode rays, etc, whereas the mainstream still cannot create a *working* model of a full sphere corona in 2017. How sad is that?

You can post your pretty picture of a couple of spheres connected to a high voltage power source as often as you like. It will still prove nothing.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Grasping the concept of unconditional love. Until they do, they remain enslaved to conditional fear.

Really? What am I afraid of? While you're at it, what my grandmother's maiden name?

 

[Michael]

Proverbs 9:10

Untill you realise that you were lost and damned to hell , you don't need God .
None of Israel were appointed to hell , they were going to Abraham Bossom by believing in Messiah.

Luke 16:19-31

You're still ignoring the *purpose* of "gehenna" in Judaism and in early Christianity. Origin's description of the purpose of the "fire" of gehenna is entirely consistent with that passages from Luke, and any and all OT references you might come up with.

That fire is a *cleansing* flame, it's not a perpetual torment device! We all have to be cleansed of our sins on Earth, and we will (and do) all experience shame for our sins. The cleansing process is thought to be 'harder' for those with greater sin, and shorter and easier for those who commit less sin. In no case was the cleansing process expected to take more than 12 months *by tradition*.

You can't even logically square the concept of malicious eternal torment with the value system taught by Christ during the Sermon on the Mount. It's entirely possible to square the teachings of early Church fathers like Origin with the Sermon on the Mount.

Augustine was raised in the pagan tradition, and he imposed his own pagan afterlife fears upon Christianity *centuries* later.

 

[Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4]

You're still ignoring the *purpose* of "gehenna" in Judaism and in early Christianity. Origin's description of the purpose of the "fire" of gehenna is entirely consistent with that passages from Luke, and any and all OT references you might come up with.

That fire is a *cleansing* flame, it's not a perpetual torment device! We all have to be cleansed of our sins on Earth, and we will (and do) all experience shame for our sins. The cleansing process is thought to be 'harder' for those with greater sin, and shorter and easier for those who commit less sin. In no case was the cleansing process expected to take more than 12 months *by tradition*.

You can't even logically square the concept of malicious eternal torment with the value system taught by Christ during the Sermon on the Mount. It's entirely possible to square the teachings of early Church fathers like Origin with the Sermon on the Mount.

Augustine was raised in the pagan tradition, and he imposed his own pagan afterlife fears upon Christianity *centuries* later.

You are not saved

 

[Michael]

You can post your pretty picture of a couple of spheres connected to a high voltage power source as often as you like. It will still prove nothing.

That comment about 'There are none so blind as those who will not see' comes to mind. Sheesh!

Physics? What physics? The mainstream doesn't actually do or even recognize real physics to start with! That's why they consistently use placeholder terms for human ignorance to attach to their math formulas and why they don't recognize a *physical explanation* when they see one. That why they build elaborate equipment to 'test' their exotic matter claims in the lab, only to ignore all the negative results too.

Oy Vey.

 

[Michael]

You are not saved

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 7:1-3 - King James Version

 

[lesliedellow]

You can't even logically square the concept of malicious eternal torment with the value system taught by Christ during the Sermon on the Mount. It's entirely possible to square the teachings of early Church fathers like Origin with the Sermon on the Mount.

Augustine was raised in the pagan tradition, and he imposed his own pagan afterlife fears upon Christianity *centuries* later.

Και επελευσονται ουτοι εις κολασιν αιωνιον, οι δε δικαιοι εις ζωην αιωνιον. (Matt. 25.46)

Augustine didn't write that; Matthew did, and you can look up αιωνιος in whatever dictionary of Koine or Classical Greek you like; it will still have "everlasting" as the meaning.

 

[Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4]

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 7:1-3 - King James Version

2 Timothy 4:2

You believe that we need to be cleansed , by doing that you blasphemy Christ himself . 2 Corinthians 5:21 . By calling me and other christians that they need to be cleansed of sin , you call Christ himself that he need to be cleansed of sin because at cross there was exchange of his nature for my nature . By calling that my nature now is not perfect you call that his nature when he died on cross was not perfect .Colossians 1:22-23. 1 Corinthians 6:11

By that you are preaching different gospel , and you are cursed for doing so Galatians 1:8 .
You can turn back and embrance the truth , or stay and believe in vain .