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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
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I've been on vacation like three times with the family, once to Opryland and twice to Gatlinburg.
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Yep. It was excellent.
Unfortunately, it was cut a little bit short, because there was a storm.
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We're pretty close, but the relationship has been just a wee bit strained since I came out as an unbeliever. We still talk, though, and he still loves me, so it's cool.
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theitguy
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That's good. Having a relationship with your father is one of the best things in life. Do you like the fact that he is part of your life?We're pretty close, but the relationship has been just a wee bit strained since I came out as an unbeliever. We still talk, though, and he still loves me, so it's cool.
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theitguy
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I can see that you are refusing to let God influence you. It seems that you are choosing to ignore the magnificence of His creation simply because you can't comprehend it or let go of the fact that man is not always in control. I think science is man's tool to explain things when he has no faith in what he can not see.
I disagree. It wasn't just because it was popular. Herod wanted him killed because he knew the prophecies, people traveled from all over to see him, Jesus impacted the entire Earth during his life here. It is a definite pivot point in our timeline and it's not just hearsay.
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No, you got it confused. Science is man's tool to understand the things that he does see; the things that he cannot see, however, are subject strictly to the individual man's reason and choice of belief. Science must ignore these things, and it does not make a decision on their existence, one way or the other. Anything else would not be science.
He did make an impact, but that is in no way proof of his divinity.
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theitguy
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Well, those last statements weren't evidence of divinity, I was refuting your claim that it was just popularity. But the virgin birth is proof.
But back to God. Science defines things, provides proof for theories, or reasons for specific events. But if you keep tryig to define everything you find, if you keep trying to dig deeper behind each proof you find, you're going to either hit a loop or a dead end. Then what?
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But there is no proof for the virgin birth.
If I hit a loop, then I must be using circular logic. Upon realizing my mistake, I would correct accordingly the reasoning that brought me to this point.
As for a "dead end," this is a vague term, and it could represent any number of things. For instance, it may represent a fact that we know universally to be true, in which case there is no problem. However, if you would like a better answer than this, you should clarify exactly what you mean.
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theitguy
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Again, I'll revert back to faith; believing in something you can not see. And even if Mary & Joseph lied about it, what would they have to gain (rhetorical)? Anyway, what I meant by the second part is a little hard to pin point exactly, but let me ask you this: What is the definition of "red" (yes, the color)?
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But there must be evidence on which to base this faith. Otherwise, it is simply faith for the sake of faith itself.
Your question is rhetorical, but I shall answer it, nonetheless: Mary and Joseph had nothing to do with the invention or the perpetuation of the virgin birth myth. This was a concept propagated by the gospel writers, decades after the death of Jesus.
Its definition, according to Wiktionary, is "Any of a range of colours having the longest wavelengths, 670nm, of the visible spectrum; a primary additive colour for transmitted light: the colour obtained by subtracting green and blue from white light using magenta and yellow filters."
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