What should we do?

[Flipper]

Yup, we shouldn't have to rely on welfare programs. Christians should do as they are told and take care of the less fortunate.

You know, that was my opinion as well, until my neice was born. My sister was 16 when she had her. She used WIC (which is not welfare either in my opinion, but a program directing help directly to the kids with needs) when she was pregnant and for the first year, and my neice was on Medicaid insurance. That was it - no food stamps, no welfare checks - she only applied for help from the state with paying for daycare and was denied.

Currently, my sister has a job and an apartment for her and Mallory. She is currently going after Mallory's father for child support (he was there and helping until a year ago, when he skipped town). While her employer offers insurance, to put Mallory on it would be so expensive, she wouldn't be able to afford the modest rent payment. My sister is on a track for advancement, and her next promotion will allow her to be able to afford insurance for Mal, so she will drop medicaid then. So, Mallory is currently on Medicaid, and you know what, it doesn't bother me. That is what assistance was meant for.

It's easy to ask for others to help - but do you have any idea what health care costs, ESPECIALLY if there are problems? Trust me, my husband and I have helped them when they needed it, along with our parents, but there's no way we could afford to also pay for her medical care.

My sister made a mistake, but Mal is the greatest neice in the world as far as I'm concerned.

I'm very cynical when it comes to welfare - but not medicaid (unless you pull up to the pharmacy drive thru in your brand new Ford Explorer and whip out the medicaid card, but that's a different matter altogether for a different time).

 

[Mayzoo]

You can also start the paperwork for SSI disability. This takes quite a while and ususally one reject before it goes into effect so starting now would be best.

So sorry things are so rough for you now.

 

[Jenna]

Hey Flipper, I'm not against welfare. I'm completely against people mooching off of others because of laziness, but I don't think a thing about giving to those who have an honest need, and that definitely includes children. Shoot, I've been poor my whole life, and there are many times when we've only gotten by because of governemt assistance. I was happy for my medicaid eyeglasses, even if the kids at school did tease me mercilessly. We wore yard sale clothes all the time, and it was a real treat to get someone's cast offs. We've been hungry and cold, and I wouldn't wish that on any child. I also know the guilt that a parent has when they dig through their cupboard and can't find food for their child. When people are working and trying so hard to make ends meet, those who do have should help them out. It still makes me sick though when folks don't try to work and keep popping out babies by just as many men, just to keep their goverment assistance. It happens a good deal in the area where I live, and it's disgusting and robs from those who are honestly trying to survive and work hard for it.

But, I'll stop talkin' about all of that and side-tracking PickleReed's thread. Heeheehee.... Sorry! *waves*

 

[Flipper]

You can also start the paperwork for SSI disability. This takes quite a while and ususally one reject before it goes into effect so starting now would be best.

So sorry things are so rough for you now.

That's a great idea.

 

[Fudd]

YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK, TAKE HIM TO THE ER THAT HE WENT TO LAST WEEK. THEY CAN NOT DENY SEEING HIM. IT MAY TAKE ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT BUT WHAT THE HAY!! HE NEEDS TO BE SEEN RIGHT AND NOW NOT LATER. PICK, HE'S GONNA BE OKAY, MAYBE THE EKG'S WERE HAY WIRE BECAUSE OF THE STATE HE WAS IN. HE'S STRONG HE CAN DEAL WITH ANYTHING, A LITTLE STUBBORN AT TIME, BUT HE WILL GET THROUGH LIKE HE DOES ANYTHING ELSE.

 

[Fudd]

AND THE SSI THING WOULD BE WORTH A SHOT. AND IF HE GETS MEDICAID, YOU NEED TO HAVE HIM CHECKED OUT FROM HEAD TO TOES. I'LL BE COMIN AROUND THE MOUNTAIN IN 7~ K *giggles* I CRACK MY SELF UP!!

 

[~PICKLE~]

*giggles* I CRACK MY SELF UP!![/QUOTE]
HA HA

I'm still searching for a doctor, some luck but not much. And the dreaded has happened, he went back to work yesterday. I'm a mess and all I do is worry. But that's just me I guess.

 

[Tuffguy]

You know, that was my opinion as well, until my neice was born. My sister was 16 when she had her. She used WIC (which is not welfare either in my opinion, but a program directing help directly to the kids with needs) when she was pregnant and for the first year, and my neice was on Medicaid insurance. That was it - no food stamps, no welfare checks - she only applied for help from the state with paying for daycare and was denied.

Currently, my sister has a job and an apartment for her and Mallory. She is currently going after Mallory's father for child support (he was there and helping until a year ago, when he skipped town). While her employer offers insurance, to put Mallory on it would be so expensive, she wouldn't be able to afford the modest rent payment. My sister is on a track for advancement, and her next promotion will allow her to be able to afford insurance for Mal, so she will drop medicaid then. So, Mallory is currently on Medicaid, and you know what, it doesn't bother me. That is what assistance was meant for.

It's easy to ask for others to help - but do you have any idea what health care costs, ESPECIALLY if there are problems? Trust me, my husband and I have helped them when they needed it, along with our parents, but there's no way we could afford to also pay for her medical care.

My sister made a mistake, but Mal is the greatest neice in the world as far as I'm concerned.

I'm very cynical when it comes to welfare - but not medicaid (unless you pull up to the pharmacy drive thru in your brand new Ford Explorer and whip out the medicaid card, but that's a different matter altogether for a different time).

<off topic>
Moral behavior in politics is not developed on situation, it is decided from God's word and our Constitution. All examples are totally irrelevant. That sounds cold but it is the truth.
Is it the tax payers fault your sister made poor decisions or decided to get involved with the wrong guy at the wrong age? Life is about responsibility. People not standing up for their own actions is what is ripping this country apart.
<back on topic>

 

[~PICKLE~]

<off topic>
Moral behavior in politics is not developed on situation, it is decided from God's word and our Constitution. All examples are totally irrelevant. That sounds cold but it is the truth.
Is it the tax payers fault your sister made poor decisions or decided to get involved with the wrong guy at the wrong age? Life is about responsibility. People not standing up for their own actions is what is ripping this country apart.
<back on topic>

ok, are you telling me that for a middle aged man that works his butt off and still can't make it should suffer. my husband has been out there looking for a job and can't get one because #1 he quit school and got his GED and that does not take you far these days. He works with his hands and that is all he knows. so he can't get a cushion job sittin in some office playing on a computer all day. #2 because* sorry to be blunt* all the constuction, landscaping, painting, well pretty much all the outside jobs are taken by the non English speaking. Believe he has tried and to no avail no one will hire him. Yes I believe everyone deserves a chance, but that puts other like my husband out of the loop, and working for pennies for family. My husband use to work for the city of Garland in facilities management. He got laid off of only to find out they had brought in a young Spanish man ( that did not speak English) for less money. So guess what, we were almost homeless. Why........ I may get bashed for this, but I don't care. People don't understand, how hard it is these days for people like us. Sure right now I stay at home with the kids cause where I live there is no one I trust to watch my kids. And my mom is 30 mins away, and we only have one car. SO right now it is tight and we are trying to figure something out so we can get out of this hole.

right now I'm glad there is something like Welfare/medicaid, cause of my kids. Healthcare is so expensive and unless you have a comfy job at a desk and bring home lots of dough, you can't afford it. Yes I see it abused everyday, and it does make me mad cause people like us that are trying and need the help while they are down get a bad name for having to use the help. Believe me, I live in goverment housing and I see it everyday, I hate it here but what choice do I have. I have a roof over my head and food for my kids.before you bash on the system you need to look at the circumstances. There are people that need and use it to get on there feet, and yet there are other that use it and use it and abuse it. And for that I am sorry.

Well I'm gonna go now, b/c i'm alittle frustrated and half of what I wanted to say I 4 got to say and I probably jumbled what I did say where it made no sense, cause when i get frustrated my hands typed and I ......... you know @*#&#&!@*@$&^(

I'll edit after I take a walk..... does that ever happen to anybody else. you really want to explain what you mean but it does come out the way you want it? LOL I'll be back

 

[Mayzoo]

Toughguy,


I am glad you always made the right choices at the right times. I work in the medical field now, and I see people every day having to decide "pills to live" or "food to live" because they can't afford both, even with the paltry help they get from the Government. I also pray a child or spouse of yours does not use poor "moral development" or have a weak "constitution," and become critically ill, since you will not see fit to do anything in your power to allow them a chance at life. You see, I get to watch others die slowly. I can't say it is pleasant, less so for them than me obviously.

So lets see.....when you retire you will have stored away the over a 1/4 million dollars needed to both retire at a minimal standard of living, and be able to pay the exorbitant medical bills you will no doubt ensue. And you will have already most likely paid about 200,000 (tuition is rising as I type) in expenses for each child to attend college. If you have two kids then that is a mere 650,000 dollars saved above and beyond your current financial needs. I am happy you are able to do this with no help. I am saddened you don't believe in compassion or Christian charity for those who are not as fortunate as you.

I am glad Jesus had Christian charity--he gave all of himself for others...including his life. He never turned away a single soul, despite their "poor life choices." Thank God!!

Oh, and by the way....what would you rather the government do with all the money they take now, and will continue to take even if they never pay another dime towards those individuals that "made poor choices?"

I know my opinion sounds harsh...but it is no more harsh than your opinion.

 

[Mayzoo]

Circumstances can arise in someone's life that are beyond their control and the financial needs can be beyond anyone's means--despite proper planning.

 

[Jenna]

All in all, we're going to have different opinions on the matter. I may not be a moderator here, but I'd say that it is prime time to get back to the original topic of conversation before this gets any messier. If folks want to battle it out over welfare aid, then another thread should be started. It isn't fair to have this debate in PickleReed's thread. If she feels that her family needs to turn to the government for help, far be it from any of us to feel that we have the authority to decide what is best for her family. The point is that the program is in place, and for situations just like this. If someone wants to argue the validity of the system, that is fine. However, there are better places for it than here.

So, maybe from this point on, we can all turn our eyes and hearts to finding a viable option for help for PickleReed's family, as is our duty as FAMILY.

*takes a bow to avoid rotten tomatoes*