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What Should the non-WoF Forum be Called?

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Simon Peter

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The majority of WoF were very much against the 'non-WoF' name; and as most of you know we have been told to change it.

Well I was wondering what you think it should be called?

I am 'non-Wof' and am interested in any ideas or thoughts you have. Particularly if you have visited our forum and seen some of the suggestions.

Thanks
 

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didn't know you had been told this and personally have little issue with it but maybe consider the following.

Rather than looking at what you are not how about considering what you are. Take a positive. I can say I am not a tree but it doesn't really tell anyone what I am.
Just a thought
 
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I appreciate the gesture, but do you really think that with this type of attitude:

... how about [ Charismatic Scriptual Truth ]
That should set this forum apart from wof because wof teachings are not scriptual Truth we have clearly shown that with Gods Word...

that your Sub-forum really gives a flip what we think it should be named? Posts like this are not challenged, therefore must be accepted. Is that your consensus too?

I ask this in honesty, because I'd love to get into this discussion, however I refuse to if it will end in arguement and debate. Why waste the time?
 
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I appreciate the gesture, but do you really think that with this type of attitude:

that your Sub-forum really gives a flip what we think it should be named? Posts like this are not challenged, therefore must be accepted. Is that your consensus too?

I ask this in honesty, because I'd love to get into this discussion, however I refuse to if it will end in arguement and debate. Why waste the time?

Hi LW,

I think some care what you guys think and some don't. But whether individuals care or not, the fact is that you clearly have a say in what our name is, or rather what it isn't.

If we choose a name that some WoF object to, then I assume it will be banned as it was before.

For example would you guys object to:

Charismatic (not affiliated with WoF)

I'm not here to debate, only to get an idea of what will or won't be accepted by you guys. Because again, if you won't accept it, then we can rule it out.

Thanks
 
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I think no one group has a right to the name charismatic.

Yes, I'd have to concur.

didn't know you had been told this and personally have little issue with it but maybe consider the following.

Rather than looking at what you are not how about considering what you are. Take a positive. I can say I am not a tree but it doesn't really tell anyone what I am.
Just a thought

Excellent idea! Exactly, what are you? I know for me, since I'm mostly, but not all WOF, I thought I belonged in the non-WOF group. But what I saw there was intense hostility towards the WOF group. Even the suggestion that miracles were possible or that health was God's wish for us was immediately and viciously attacked. One person even likened my views to witchcraft! I realized then and there that the non-WOF groups' primary agenda was to attack and debase WOF doctrine. Sorry, not for me. I'd rather be over here where I don't feel attacked or called names. Turns out, a lot of my WOF friends hold beliefs much like mine - about 80% classic WOF, 20% non-WOF. Ironically, I think if some of the stringent "Non-WOFer" would examine their beliefs, they'll find a ratio not surprisingly different. To create divisiveness and contention over such a small area of doctrine, strikes me as petty, immature, and blatantly lacking in self-awareness. But that's just my opinion, since you asked. I know I'd rather focus on areas of agreement than maximize areas of difference.
 
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Yes, I'd have to concur.



Excellent idea! Exactly, what are you? I know for me, since I'm mostly, but not all WOF, I thought I belonged in the non-WOF group. But what I saw there was intense hostility towards the WOF group. Even the suggestion that miracles were possible or that health was God's wish for us was immediately and viciously attacked. One person even likened my views to witchcraft! I realized then and there that the non-WOF groups' primary agenda was to attack and debase WOF doctrine. Sorry, not for me. I'd rather be over here where I don't feel attacked or called names. Turns out, a lot of my WOF friends hold beliefs much like mine - about 80% classic WOF, 20% non-WOF. Ironically, I think if some of the stringent "Non-WOFer" would examine their beliefs, they'll find a ratio not surprisingly different. To create divisiveness and contention over such a small area of doctrine, strikes me as petty, immature, and blatantly lacking in self-awareness. But that's just my opinion, since you asked. I know I'd rather focus on areas of agreement than maximize areas of difference.
You are correct. You will find that most WoFers here agree only partially with each other.. but find that to be ok. I too found that the animosity and rejection experienced over there was too much.
They are out of control.
I will not go there.
 
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The majority of WoF were very much against the 'non-WoF' name; and as most of you know we have been told to change it.

Well I was wondering what you think it should be called?

I am 'non-Wof' and am interested in any ideas or thoughts you have. Particularly if you have visited our forum and seen some of the suggestions.

Thanks

I'm sorry, we are a bit touchy here also. But thank you for asking.

In my opinion I liked a couple of the suggestions that were given in the Non-WOF forum on this. I particularly liked:

Charismatic-Thy Will Be Done
Charismatic-Reformed

I think both give your position, but in a positive light. Thy Will Be Done gives a clear disctiction between us, and Reformed is even better because it could easily refer to Reformed from all excessess in the Charismatic movement, not just those attributed to WOF.

Mabey even:

Charismatic-Reformed/Thy Will Be Done

Just IMHO.

Peace...
 
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I think some care what you guys think and some don't. But whether individuals care or not, the fact is that you clearly have a say in what our name is, or rather what it isn't.
I would like to take a moment to clarify something.

One of my last official acts in a staff capacity was to participate in a 3+ hour long staff meeting via messenger in which the staff discussed the SF/PC forum issues. As one of the only WoF representatives of the staff in that meeting (rmw was there too, on and off), I made it clear that I had no problem with the name non-WoF and that I didn't believe changing the name was necessary, nor that it would solve anything.

However, despite that fact, a "clear majority" of the 13 present staff members, most of whom were NOT WoF, recommended the name change. So to be clear, it was the staff who recommended the name change, and not the WoF membership.

All that said, let me say something that I've already said before. Non-WoF people do not represent 1) all of the Charismatic movement, and/or 2) the "mainstream" Charismatic church. Therefore, it would be patently dishonest to claim the name "Charismatic", and then redefine it in such a way to exclude people who are truly "Charismatic" from being able to speak freely in the forum.

Charismatic simply means that we operate by the grace of God in the gifts of the Spirit that He has provided for us.

It is, however, difficult to make any name suggestion for you, given that the prevailing attitude from the non-WoF forum is the belief that "Scriptural Truth" only exists from non-WoF and that the apparent goal is to keep the "leaven" of WoF out of the forum and to prevent WoF from "evangelizing" in there. These are just 3 comments that I've read in that forum over the past week...

I think "Charismatic - Reformed" is my best suggestion, because by the forum's own admission, they've done away with the "excess" of the Charismatic movement, hence the "reformation".
 
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i could go with either:
Post Charismatic (been there done that, threw the T-shirt out)
or Reformed Charismatic (belonging to mainline churches, but Charismatic in nature).

of the two choices, i think Post Charismatic expresses the experiences of the majority of members there.
 
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I'm sorry, we are a bit touchy here also. But thank you for asking.

In my opinion I liked a couple of the suggestions that were given in the Non-WOF forum on this. I particularly liked:

Charismatic-Thy Will Be Done
Charismatic-Reformed

I think both give your position, but in a positive light. Thy Will Be Done gives a clear disctiction between us, and Reformed is even better because it could easily refer to Reformed from all excessess in the Charismatic movement, not just those attributed to WOF.

Mabey even:

Charismatic-Reformed/Thy Will Be Done

Just IMHO.

Peace...

I like this suggestion too :)
 
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Charismatic simply means that we operate by the grace of God in the gifts of the Spirit that He has provided for us.



I think "Charismatic - Reformed" is my best suggestion, because by the forum's own admission, they've done away with the "excess" of the Charismatic movement, hence the "reformation".
That makes sense. Because they are charismatic but not like all the other charismatics. Several denominations use the word 'reformed' ( Example = prebyterian) for that very purpose, to distinquish them from that group's typical beliefs

From the debates and articles I read, Post Charismatic sounds alot like their beliefs to me .
 
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