What should I do?

[Beanieboy]

Become a Christian and get married the way Jesus described marriage. A man and a woman. It's safe to say that the Apostles and Jesus are to be categorized as Religious Right members. Kinda-sorta..

Here, the response is that the gay man should marry a woman, because that is what God intended, and doesn't understand why that isn't such a good idea.

As I said, should you really be asking people like this what you should do?

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

Secondly, the gay community has to find their own definition of marriage. The great flaw in their thinking is they don't want to get married (since when does a guy who like has well over 1,000 partners a year on average have any interest in monogamy?); they want to promote equality of sexual orientation.

Gay people don't want to get married? Interesting statement, since my OP said (1) I'm gay and (2) I want to get married.

Promoting equality of sexual orientation is a good thisg, but the gay community's approach is bad. They want to be married just as we are, even though they are anything but us.
They have different lifestyles. They have different ways of using their reproductive organs. They are unable to procreate.
These three differences alone should be a rally-cry for them to find their own method of courting and marriage.

What 'lifestyles' do we have? Do enlighten me, all-knowing one.

Anyone who wants to defeat the recent pro-normal marriage statutes has a manner of thinking that can best be described as a genetic mutation. There is just no other way to explain how someone can vote like this otehr than a fundamentally flawed way of cognition and thinking.

Exactly. The anti-marriage crowd (i.e. yourself and others seeking to reduce who can get married) are pretty twisted.

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

Really, though, the Religious Right can sod off. What does it matter, what they'd suggest you do for your life? Are you supposed to live your life according to their needs, or your own? Okay, so a religious conservative might rather see you curl up and vanish, but tough beans for them. We get to live with them, they get to live with the rest of us too - works both ways.

Fair point, I'm just wondering on an individual basis how they see things. I doubt many of them know any gay people, as they don't seem to think about 'teh gayz' as a group of actual people.

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

I already told you guys that if you equate your perversion with the sufferings my race had to endure I'm gonna report you and I'm not kidding!
While we were being lynched and had to drink from separate water fountains you people were cheerfully and gayily prancing around in one of your Halloween/pride festivals replete with sex toys, pornography, obscene dress and other abberancies.
I am very angry at you people and so is my race in general, now quit it!

Which rule are you going to quote? The "do not offend individual African Americans whose beliefs about homosexuality are at odds with those of Coretta Scott King and the Chair of the NAACP" rule, perhaps?

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

Become a Christian and get married the way Jesus described marriage. A man and a woman. It's safe to say that the Apostles and Jesus are to be categorized as Religious Right members. Kinda-sorta.

I was a Christian for several years. And I have the scars, guilt complex and psychiatrist's notes to prove it.

That's not a Religious Right demand. Find a nice woman and get married. That's the Christian way.

You heard it here first, people! Christians see marriage to someone you love as evil, but a meaningless marriage based on a lie is A-OK!

How nice. I never knew you gays wanted it outlawed.

Well, apparently we're out to destroy straight marriage, so just thought I'd clear that up.

Why should you expect any recognition of it in the firstplace. Your private life is yours and yours alone. Even if it includes someone else.

Until that someone else gets ill, and I have no right to visit him in hospital.

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

As I said, should you really be asking people like this what you should do?

Sadly, as long as they keep turning up at the polling station, I haven't got a choice but to care about what they think.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

I was a Christian for several years. And I have the scars, guilt complex and psychiatrist's notes to prove it.



You heard it here first, people! Christians see marriage to someone you love as evil, but a meaningless marriage based on a lie is A-OK!



Well, apparently we're out to destroy straight marriage, so just thought I'd clear that up.



Until that someone else gets ill, and I have no right to visit him in hospital.

And really how can you be surprised by that, they do not care about you as a human being they just do not want to know about the awful butsecks.

 

[Kroger99]

I too, am a gay man, and was once a christian. I tried to "give my problem to god" but, it was an empty gesture. I prayed, waited, hoped, prayed some more... but nothing ever happened - nothing ever changed.

God Speed... not ours!
Try again!

 

[Polycarp_fan]

And liberal leftists is a term that's coined by the religious right
You dont even understand what Liberalism (in it's many forms) means

Unfettered sexual behaviors through condom morality? Socialism? Taxing hard wroking decent families to spread the wealth to people that refuse to da anything with their lives and expect, no feel entitled to have someone else pay their way through lije? Redefining sexual promiscuity and depravity to be a civli right to teach children about in schools? Even though licentiousness is proven to be a deadly choice?

I'm asking.

My answer would be-
"A person who claims to be born of the Spirit, and does EVERYTHING they can to live up to the standards of Jesus"

A Humanist should be more respectful of Christian beliefs and not try to define Christian beliefs.

And yes, I'm a liberal.

You are already show that you're a Humanist. No need to be redundant.

That is a lie
A lie
You know what the NT says about liars, right?

That it's a sin just like same-gender sex acts is.

1000 partners a year?
Where the hell do you get these numbers?

A good guess after visiting a Florida beachfront community at night and having to use the public bathroom, or accidently going into a gay bar? The notion of intense promiscuity in the gay community can also be obtained by visiting gay websites.

I think you're just making it up and LYING
What does the Bible say about liars?

Lying is listed with other behaviors that need to be avoided that list same-gender sex as one to be repented of.

"Anything but us"?
Oh, thats perfect!

It's been five-thousand years and still the populace finds same-gender sex repugnant and do not want their children exposed to it.

Just like blacks were (not too many decades ago) "anything but us"
Just like Jews were (not too many decades and centuries ago) "anything but us"

Sex acts and race are not good comparisons. Your canard is wearing thin.

So do Muslims
I pointedly note that you are NOT trying to make Islam illegal in the USA.
(of course, you'll probably miss that point of hypocrisy on your end)

Islam is a religion. Not a sex act.

And, according to the belief systems laid out by the NT, Muslims and (religious) Jews are UNABLE to to worship the "correct" Deity.
What do the commandments say about that?
Why aren't you trying to make Islam or Judaism illegal?

No one is trying to make gay sex illegal, they are trying to stop marriage from being redefined by people that engage in same-gender sex acts and their liberal. progressive, humanist and atheist supporters from making a new law and a new definition of marriage.

Same-gender marriage has never been legal, so therefore no one is making it illegal.

Liberals (leftists) are trying to make it legal. Get the facts straight huh?

So, based on your own statements, you will be doing EVERYTHING you can to ban Islam and Judaism (not to mention all the other "pagan" faiths) within the USA?

Make gay sex a religion and there you go. It's a fath-based belief system proclaimed exclusively on how a person feels about sex. Then again, there are plenty of non Christian religions to turn to for the practice of gay sex and gay culture to be celebrated.

Until you do that, I (and others) see through your hypocrisy.

Spin is not perception, it is a political agenda of social reengineering.

When you do that, however, THEN I will understand that you actually uphold your Bible.

There is no promotion, support or encouragement of same-gender sex or same-gender marriage ANYWHERE in the Bible. Upholding the Bible on marriage can only be the concept expressed within it, and that is man-woman.

Get your facts in order please.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Unfettered sexual behaviors through condom morality? Socialism? Taxing hard wroking decent families to spread the wealth to people that refuse to da anything with their lives and expect, no feel entitled to have someone else pay their way through lije? Redefining sexual promiscuity and depravity to be a civli right to teach children about in schools? Even though licentiousness is proven to be a deadly choice?

I'm asking.



A Humanist should be more respectful of Christian beliefs and not try to define Christian beliefs.



You are already show that you're a Humanist. No need to be redundant.



That it's a sin just like same-gender sex acts is.



A good guess after visiting a Florida beachfront community at night and having to use the public bathroom, or accidently going into a gay bar? The notion of intense promiscuity in the gay community can also be obtained by visiting gay websites.



Lying is listed with other behaviors that need to be avoided that list same-gender sex as one to be repented of.



It's been five-thousand years and still the populace finds same-gender sex repugnant and do not want their children exposed to it.



Sex acts and race are not good comparisons. Your canard is wearing thin.



Islam is a religion. Not a sex act.



No one is trying to make gay sex illegal, they are trying to stop marriage from being redefined by people that engage in same-gender sex acts and their liberal. progressive, humanist and atheist supporters from making a new law and a new definition of marriage.

Same-gender marriage has never been legal, so therefore no one is making it illegal.

Liberals (leftists) are trying to make it legal. Get the facts straight huh?



Make gay sex a religion and there you go. It's a fath-based belief system proclaimed exclusively on how a person feels about sex. Then again, there are plenty of non Christian religions to turn to for the practice of gay sex and gay culture to be celebrated.



Spin is not perception, it is a political agenda of social reengineering.



There is no promotion, support or encouragement of same-gender sex or same-gender marriage ANYWHERE in the Bible. Upholding the Bible on marriage can only be the concept expressed within it, and that is man-woman.

Get your facts in order please.

Since law is not now nor ever has been based on the bible that argument is not at all valid.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I was a Christian for several years. And I have the scars, guilt complex and psychiatrist's notes to prove it.

Take a look at your signature-rote insult lines. One of them describes the conditions for anti-depressants. It is those psychiatrists you payed for that is bringing us this altered humanity. Notice they didn;t help with your guilt complex? But I know Who can.

I used to be a liberal and an atheist for more than sevearl years. I am now a Christian.

PCF: That's not a Religious Right demand. Find a nice woman and get married. That's the Christian way.

You heard it here first, people! Christians see marriage to someone you love as evil, but a meaningless marriage based on a lie is A-OK!

Loving a woman and holding her as your equal is evil? Now I know why leftists scream about feminism and yet, treat Mrs. Palin the way they do.

Well, apparently we're out to destroy straight marriage, so just thought I'd clear that up.

You didn't need to. We know what the goal is in the elementary classroom on up. John dewey et al.

Until that someone else gets ill, and I have no right to visit him in hospital.

That is a myth and a canard that is also wearing thin. A lot os non-homosexual people can visit anyone of our sick freinds in the hospital anytime the visiting hours say we can. You guys are going to need a better starwman. You're better sticking with ad hom attacks.

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

Take a look at your signature-rote insult lines. One of them describes the conditions for anti-depressants. It is those psychiatrists you payed for that is bringing us this altered humanity. Notice they didn;t help with your guilt complex? But I know Who can.

The person that gave me them in the first place, you mean? Fool me once, and all that...

Loving a woman and holding her as your equal is evil? Now I know why leftists scream about feminism and yet, treat Mrs. Palin the way they do.

I love a lot of women and hold all women to be my equals. But if you love men and hold them as your equals, does that mean you'd be true to yourself and fair to them if you have a long-term sexual, romantic relationship with one of them? When Jesus said 'love your neighbour' did he mean marry them? There are, as you well know, different types of love, so don't bother clutching at straws on this one.

And Palin's treatment is down to the cynical attempt to ambush feminism and the thinking that women are stupid enough to vote for anyone just because they happen to be female, without looking at the issues and realising that being a woman doesn't make you a feminist.

That is a myth and a canard that is also wearing thin. A lot os non-homosexual people can visit anyone of our sick freinds in the hospital anytime the visiting hours say we can. You guys are going to need a better starwman. You're better sticking with ad hom attacks.

Not being Next Of Kin means other family members the State does recognise can bar you from the hospital. It makes things a lot harder.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

The person that gave me them in the first place, you mean? Fool me once, and all that...

Just take care of yourself and your mental health. In all seriousness, if that means taking a prescription then by all means take care of yourself.

This debate thing is fun for the most part but real health in the real world is paramount.

Now back to the debate at hand.

I love a lot of women and hold all women to be my equals. But if you love men and hold them as your equals, does that mean you'd be true to yourself and fair to them if you have a long-term sexual, romantic relationship with one of them?

BTW, I do not oppose same-sex unions at all. Non Christians can do what they want to. The word "marriage" though is not negotiable. You;ll have to alter that without my help.

When Jesus said 'love your neighbour' did he mean marry them?

Preaching and living the Gospel is what He meant, if you take the entire Gospel in context.

There are, as you well know, different types of love, so don't bother clutching at straws on this one.

Sorry sir, I do not follow cleverly devised stories. A Christian does as a Christian should.

And Palin's treatment is down to the cynical attempt to ambush feminism and the thinking that women are stupid enough to vote for anyone just because they happen to be female, without looking at the issues and realising that being a woman doesn't make you a feminist.

Palin looks like a better role model for womens rights than any other woman in politics I have ever seen. Strong, effective, self-reliant and attractive and the equal of her husband.

Just like the woman I married.

Not being Next Of Kin means other family members the State does recognise can bar you from the hospital. It makes things a lot harder.

I've called many, many, hospitals and hospices and the case is, that anyone can visit a patient that the patient wants to have vidit them. Including care wishes and after death demands.

Make some calls for yourself.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Just take care of yourself and your mental health. In all seriousness, if that means taking a prescription then by all means take care of yourself.

This debate thing is fun for the most part but real health in the real world is paramount.

Now back to the debate at hand.



PFC, you just earned a lot of respect.


Cheers

 

[selfinflikted]

Become a Christian and get married the way Jesus described marriage. A man and a woman. It's safe to say that the Apostles and Jesus are to be categorized as Religious Right members. Kinda-sorta.

Yes, because living a complete and total lie is the christian way.

What? Why? Ask yourself: What genitalia do I possess? Sexual orientation is shown from there.

This flies in the face of reality. You claim that one's sexual organs determine sexual orientation, but if this were true, you'd have no gay people.. yet, gay people exist, so you must be wrong.

That's not a Religious Right demand. Find a nice woman and get married. That's the Christian way.

So, living a lie is the christian way?

How nice. I never knew you gays wanted it outlawed.

We don't, or at least I don't.

Why should you expect any recognition of it in the firstplace. Your private life is yours and yours alone. Even if it includes someone else.

It's not only about recognition, in fact, that is only a very very small part of it, at least for me. What I want are the protections that come along with marriage. You are forgetting that there are some pretty good rights and protections that come for free with being married. I would like for my partner and I to share in those protections.

 

[Andreusz]

Lying is listed with other behaviors that need to be avoided that list same-gender sex as one to be repented of.
...


It's been five-thousand years and still the populace finds same-gender sex repugnant and do not want their children exposed to it.

What about the people who have no problem with this? Are they not members of the populace?

Sex acts and race are not good comparisons. Your canard is wearing thin.

Homosexuality is not just sex acts. You have been told this repeatedly, but you refuse to understand, because you prefer the lie that you have constructed.

Same-gender marriage has never been legal,

Liar.

Get your facts in order please.

This applies to you.

 

[cantata]

Why is Sarah Palin's level of attractiveness in the smallest part relevant, PC_F?

You don't hear people saying, "Oh, that <insert name of male political candidate> is the greatest man we've ever had in politics... Look at how handsome he is!" I find it rather funny that you're pretending to be all pro-women and yet you blithely bring up her sex appeal as an indicator of whether she's any good.

 

[Andreusz]

To be fair, Cantata, I think a lot of people did admire Kennedy's looks.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

To be fair, Cantata, I think a lot of people did admire Kennedy's looks.

And Obama's.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Why is Sarah Palin's level of attractiveness in the smallest part relevant, PC_F?

Attractiveness? Yes. You should hear leftist talk radio over here. They can't get enough of deriding Caribou Barbie and incessantly bringing up how horrid McCains appearance is. Now, for the record, I am an admirer of Mrs. Clinton. She is a great woman and a great person. I do nt begrudge her ambitions.

You don't hear people saying, "Oh, that <insert name of male political candidate>

BARACK OBAMA

. . . is the greatest man we've ever had in politics... Look at how handsome he is!"

He's advertised as a flippin' messiah. He even believes it himself. His latest ad: "We're going to change America and then the world."

I find it rather funny that you're pretending to be all pro-women and yet you blithely bring up her sex appeal as an indicator of whether she's any good.

Hubba-hubba baby. I have always maintained that I am a flesh and blood man. This isn't a right-wing computer generated program destroying the common arguments of liberals. Look, even Alec Baldwin thinks she's awesome.

Also, being able to drill a moose or deer with a 30-06, clean and cook em, and have five children as well . . . OH MY . . . ! That's a leader.

Palin's revolution is just starting!!!!!!!

(I'll be back in a few minutes.)

OK, cold shower over. (My wife's not home.)

Bring on the terrorists, the Russians and the Venezuelans. Cantata, these people will not respect nor regard Obama as anything but a tax and spend Democrat focused on destroying the conservatives in America and abroad.

Sarah Palin on the other hand, they know she can kill and care for her family with what she provides for them.

McCain chose wisely.


Ya know cantata, I'm thinking that sometimes, we can have fun with all of this. I'm really not afriad of any of you.