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What should be done in Iraq?

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The Israeli government targets civilians. Sharon is one evil dude. Arafat's trouble, too. I'm sad that Abbas was defeated.


I'm sure there were terrorists in Iraq before the illegal invasion. There are terrorists everywhere. It's their job to be everywhere. There are probably even terrorists here in New Zealand. That's not a reason to invade a country, of course, and the US never pretended it was. The US gave one reason for invasion: disarmament. But once the invasion began, knowing that there were no weapons, the US publicity machine pumped out a different word over and over: liberation. So by the end of it, even though the whole thing was a total embarrassment, a horrible blemish in the history of the world, a complete failure in the terms of the goals (disarmament justifies illegal invasion), the US public had been brought around to the misconception that the goal was to liberate the Iraqi people from Saddam.

Saddam was considered evil, you see, because of the things he had done while the US put him into power, and the things the US had let him do with chemical weapons that the US sold to him.

No doubt some Iraqi people are angry enough about their country being taken over by people from the other side of the world who don't speak their language and didn't even bother to have a real reason for invading... angry enough to fight back against big, overwhelming powers in the only way that works - guerilla and terrorist tactics. The US Army is a big, strong bear, who can beat up smaller bears, but doesn't have much luck stopping a swarm of bees from stinging it repeatedly.

And yes, now Iraq is becoming a meeting ground for terrorists. Firstly, because things are disordered over there. Secondly, because it's easy to hire Shi'ite fundamentalists into your group when they've just had their family killed by errant US/UK missiles or gunfire, or had their Shi'ite flag shot to pieces by a US gunship.

There was never any question that the world would look back on this invasion as one of the US' greatest mistakes.

But has Halliburton set up shop yet?
 
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"Do you remember when that statue of Saddam was pulled own? Do you remember the cheering Iraqis? Do you know that was 100% staged? Real Iraqis were not allowed in the area. Those cheering Iraqi's were flown in by the US from outside the country just to make propaganda for you."



That is preposterous!!!

"Sharon has no interest in peace."

Check out this web site
www.factsandlogic.org
 
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panterapat

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Correct me if I am wrong. Do you happen to belong to the "Blame America First club?"

Do you believe that George Bush stole the election?

Do you believe America had it coming (9-11)

Did you look the other way when Bill Clinton obstructed justice, lied under oath, had illicit affairs in the Oval Office, could not define what is, is, etc. etc.?

Were Democratic voters disenfranchised in Florida?

etc. etc
 
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panterapat said:
Saint Philip


"Do you remember when that statue of Saddam was pulled own? Do you remember the cheering Iraqis? Do you know that was 100% staged? Real Iraqis were not allowed in the area. Those cheering Iraqi's were flown in by the US from outside the country just to make propaganda for you."



That is preposterous!!!

you're right. It IS preposterous that they would do such a thing.
http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/63998

here's the photos to prove it.

more information:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3024.htm
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=chalabi+statue&btnG=Google+Search
 
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what is it so difficult to believe? This is the same administration that employed Hollywood consultants to design a set for their Pentagon briefings during the war.

You don't think they would stage manage the statue toppling?

Look at how sparse the 'crowd' is. There's the photo of someone who looks really like Chalabi's aide. Then we have the webcam shots of the tanks entering the square, cordoning it off, and a US armoured vehicle hooking up to the statue.
 
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and you don't think it necessary to wait for more evidence that Iraq had WMDs at the time of the US invasion?

I'm just curious why on the one hand you refuse to accept photographic evidence that the statue photo-shoot was stage-managed while on the other hand you accept with absolutely no evidence that there were WMDs in Iraq. I wonder if you would care to account for this discrepancy?
 
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First of all, the potographs were inconclusive to me. They did not prove that the event was staged.

Second of all, I never accepted that there are WMD in Iraq, I'll have to wait for the evidence.

To me, it does not matter if there are WMD. A greater good has been done in freeing the Iraqi people of Saddam's terror. (Even if initiated on dubious grounds)

Don't you think that the liberal media CNN CBS NBS ABC BBC NPR would be all over this if it were true???

In Christ, Patrick
 
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never mind ... (post deleted)
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Well, I disagree that THEY do not want us there.
Plenty of videos of the Iraqi people would prove otherwise. Some of them welcomed us at first, but now it is seen as an occupation and it is, now they want us gone. Look at how many soldiers have been killed so far, just from civilians. It's time to pull out, we have ruined their lives enough.

What is your definition of terrorist? There are no terrorists in Iraq, there are only freedom fighters trying to repel an invasion.
Right on :)

BTW, I am 100% certain that Israel's Sharon has no interest in peace. He triggered this cotininuing intifada a couple of years ago. He continued to have Palestinian leaders killed even when Israel agreed to a ceasefire. Sharon was even fired as Isreal's Minister of Defense after Israel held him accountable for an incident where nearly 2000 unarmed Palestinian civilians were massacred. Why don't you call Sharon a terrorist?
I completely agree with this statement. I watched a documentary on the history of Sharon. It's pretty bad, yet I see our President backing him 100%. Apparently we seem to have a selective memory of the past. :)

Whether we did the right thing or not we need to stay behind our president and our troops
I am behind our troops because they don't have a choice, but how can you support a president who does something wrong? You say Whether right or wrong, to stay behind him. I can not stand behind a man who kills for his own personal agenda and destroys the lives of countless others.

I don't believe Bush is a Christian.
I believe he is a hypocritical one. Says one things, but acts completely opposite.

That is preposterous!!!
Look into history with some research, it isn't as preposterous as you think. It's not the first time things have been staged for propoganda, and won't be the last.

Do you believe that George Bush stole the election?

Do you believe America had it coming (9-11)

Did you look the other way when Bill Clinton obstructed justice, lied under oath, had illicit affairs in the Oval Office, could not define what is, is, etc. etc.?
Yes Bush stole the election, that one is pretty obvious without the research.

America I think I has done a lot of wrong things we don't know about, and probably did have it coming. Do I support it? No, of course not, but it was only a matter of time. However, the US could have prevented it, but wasn't.

Did you look the other way when Bush lied to the entire American public about WMD and uranium and such to support his occupation for oil? You do know it is Cheney's former company, of which he still receives a paycheck, that has been allowed the only access there. :)

I'll have to wait on some "mainstream" reports to believe the saddam statue story.
You will never get the truth from the mainstream media, they read only the info handed to them by the government. True muckracking is gone, you will only get the truth from independent sources who actually care about the truth.

A greater good has been done in freeing the Iraqi people of Saddam's terror.
Not really, their lives have been destroyed. One man lost his 6 childen aged 8 and below. Many people are at poverty level now. So many have lost their families, jobs, and their life. This is not a greater good.
 
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Schae7 said:
I agree with Inspired but then again I'm kind of biased. My fiance' is there. I realize that I don't see the complete picture. What I see is the US in another country while our soldiers are being killed. I believe that we have problems here that need to be fixed before fixing everyone else's. Not to mention the fact that we are not fixing thier problems. They don't want us there. In part we are causing death and violence that wouldn't be there if we were not there. I recognize the need to go in the first place but I think we should turn things over to thier people and bring our soldiers home. They have been gone long enough. Then again, thats just my opinion.
IRAQ IS LIKE NORTHERN IRELAND BUT WITH MORE SAND, MORE TERRORISTS AND MORE OIL.

PEACE OUT!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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