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What Shall a Christian do To Have Eternal Life

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Well then you are basically saying Justification and Sanctification are interlocked, one being part of the other, are you going that far.....
In Christ we have been justified on the basis of his perfect righteousness. He has also sanctified us - past tense. There is much confusion in Adventism over these terms and it goes right to the heart of the SDA 'perfection' theology. Rather than accepting Christ's perfection SDAism teaches that perfection in sinful flesh is a coordinated effort between two parties (them and God).

In CHRIST alone...
 
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"Sin and live" theology is alive and well, but...

For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

Remember before this in Romans 8 it says
"5For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,
7because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
8and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
10If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness."

A born-again Christian's position is not "in the flesh", but "in the Spirit". How does the Spirit dwell in you? Not by works according to Galatians. Is there a text or texts that reflect the departure of the Spirit each time we sin?

It isn't about sinning and living, but about living free from slavery to sin. We start at the point of victory because of what Jesus did for us. If there is a sin out there that is difficult for you to overcome then a change in a point of view is needed. You aren't climbing a mountain trying to conqueror that sin. Jesus did that for you. You are already at the top of the mountain free from the chains of sin so if a sinful desire confronts you it has no power. There is no sin that is too difficult to resist. Sin, from the point of victory, is powerless. We can submit and let sin have power over us, but that doesn't change our status of being on top of the mountain. Jesus put us there and keeps us there.
 
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10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
 
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Remember before this in Romans 8 it says
"5For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,
7because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
8and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
10If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness."

A born-again Christian's position is not "in the flesh", but "in the Spirit". How does the Spirit dwell in you? Not by works according to Galatians. Is there a text or texts that reflect the departure of the Spirit each time we sin?

It isn't about sinning and living, but about living free from slavery to sin. We start at the point of victory because of what Jesus did for us. If there is a sin out there that is difficult for you to overcome then a change in a point of view is needed. You aren't climbing a mountain trying to conqueror that sin. Jesus did that for you. You are already at the top of the mountain free from the chains of sin so if a sinful desire confronts you it has no power. There is no sin that is too difficult to resist. Sin, from the point of victory, is powerless. We can submit and let sin have power over us, but that doesn't change our status of being on top of the mountain. Jesus put us there and keeps us there.
What's with this apparent huge lack of trust in God who lives in us? I am reading a definite doubt of faith in the Holy Spirit who is fully God! A complete denial of living by the Spirit and a focus of some on the flesh. Maybe it's an admission on their part of not having God living IN them.

Eila, great job of posting the truth in Scripture! I appreciate reading it every time. It's ALL about Jesus Christ!

In CHRIST alone...
 
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Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin."

He who sins is of the devil...In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

...for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage

Sounds like: For if you live according to the flesh you will die
 
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Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin."

He who sins is of the devil...In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

...for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage

Sounds like: For if you live according to the flesh you will die
EGW says the same:

But while God can be just, and yet justify the sinner through the merits of Christ, no man can cover his soul with the garments of Christ's righteousness while practicing known sins, or neglecting known duties. God requires the entire surrender of the heart, before justification can take place; and in order for man to retain justification, there must be continual obedience, through active, living faith that works by love and purifies the soul.

Let none deceive themselves with the belief that they can become holy while willfully violating one of God's requirements. The commission of a known sin silences the witnessing voice of the Spirit and separates the soul from God.

One sin unrepented of is enough to close the gates of heaven against you. It was because man could not be saved with one stain of sin upon him, that Jesus came to die on Calvary's cross. Your only hope is to look to Christ and live. He came to save to the uttermost all who came unto him; and he is fully able to do all that he has undertaken to do for you. He will lift us up from the degradation into which we have fallen because of sin.
 
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Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin."

Great text! In context it says in John 8 "33They answered Him, "We are Abraham's descendants and have never yet been enslaved to anyone; how is it that You say, 'You will become free'?" 34Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin.
35"The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever.
36"So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed."

Jesus has made us free from sin!! The slave does not remain forever, but the son does. We are sons of God!

Galatians 3 "23But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed.
24Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.
25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
26For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ."



He who sins is of the devil...In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

1 John 3 "7Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.
9No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother."

The indwelling Spirit doesn't lead one to practice sin, but righteousness. Notice verse 9. His seed abides in us and we cannot sin because we are born of God. When you are born again your spirit is perfect and righteous and is not defiled by sin.


Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

Romans 6 "7for he who has died is freed from sin. 8Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,
9knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him.
10For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
11Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
13and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
14For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!
16Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?
17But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed,
18and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness."

Obedience to the Gospel. When we respond in faith to the Gospel we are freed from sin and become slaves to righteousness. We are dead to sin and alive to God!



...for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage

Yes, people are free to turn from Christ.



Sounds like: For if you live according to the flesh you will die

See previous post.


EGW says the same:

But while God can be just, and yet justify the sinner through the merits of Christ, no man can cover his soul with the garments of Christ's righteousness while practicing known sins, or neglecting known duties. God requires the entire surrender of the heart, before justification can take place; and in order for man to retain justification, there must be continual obedience, through active, living faith that works by love and purifies the soul.

Sorry, but this suggests salvation by works.

Let none deceive themselves with the belief that they can become holy while willfully violating one of God's requirements. The commission of a known sin silences the witnessing voice of the Spirit and separates the soul from God.

No, one cannot become holy that way. The only way to be holy is to accept Jesus' holiness as your own. 1 Corinthians 1 says that Jesus is our sanctification!

One sin unrepented of is enough to close the gates of heaven against you. It was because man could not be saved with one stain of sin upon him, that Jesus came to die on Calvary's cross. Your only hope is to look to Christ and live. He came to save to the uttermost all who came unto him; and he is fully able to do all that he has undertaken to do for you. He will lift us up from the degradation into which we have fallen because of sin.

Perfection is required. Absolute perfection. This is why Jesus gives us the gift of His righteousness.

1 Corinthians 1 says that Jesus is our righteousness! We are not to rely on ourselves for our salvation, but on Jesus alone.
 
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Belief makes all the difference. Obedience is within reach.

2 Corinthians 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Ephesians 3:20
Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,

Mark 9:23
Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
 
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What's with this apparent huge lack of trust in God who lives in us? I am reading a definite doubt of faith in the Holy Spirit who is fully God! A complete denial of living by the Spirit and a focus of some on the flesh. Maybe it's an admission on their part of not having God living IN them.

Eila, great job of posting the truth in Scripture! I appreciate reading it every time. It's ALL about Jesus Christ!

In CHRIST alone...

Well many say Christ lives in them and they in Him, but that doesnt make it true, you actually have to accept Christ not just give lip service...
 
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Well many say Christ lives in them and they in Him, but that doesnt make it true, you actually have to accept Christ not just give lip service...

In you opinion, is this the way in which one accepts Christ?
"In order to let Jesus into our hearts, we must stop sinning." (Signs of the Times, March 3, 1888).
BFA
 
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In you opinion, is this the way in which one accepts Christ?
"In order to let Jesus into our hearts, we must stop sinning." (Signs of the Times, March 3, 1888).
BFA

Well its hard to have a relationship with Christ while engaging in the pleasures of the flesh at the disco (do they still use this word) or club on the strip.......
 
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Well Reddog let put it this way when I go to bed at night I pray Lord forgive me of my sins I'm a human being and you know it and I know and forgive me and help me try not to sin as much tommorow and I love you Lord AMEN. and in the morning I pray Lord help me get through this day and give the opprotnity to tell someone about you today.
 
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Belief makes all the difference. Obedience is within reach.

2 Corinthians 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Ephesians 3:20
Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,

Mark 9:23
Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
A BIG AMEN TO THAT EGW!!!!
 
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Belief makes all the difference. Obedience is within reach.

2 Corinthians 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Ephesians 3:20
Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,

Mark 9:23
Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
A BIG AMEN TO THAT EGW!!!!
 
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In you opinion, is this the way in which one accepts Christ?
"In order to let Jesus into our hearts, we must stop sinning." (Signs of the Times, March 3, 1888).
BFA

That is the biblical definition of justification.

Do you think repentance merely means you are sorry about sinning but without committing yourself to turning away from sin?
 
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The bible gives no excuse for sinning.

1 Cor 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Willful sinning is a choice. Those who says he/she can not stop sinning has not asked God to intervene on their behalf. Who is more powerful? God who wants you to stop sinning or Satan who tempts you to sin?
 
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The bible gives no excuse for sinning.

1 Cor 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Willful sinning is a choice. Those who says he/she can not stop sinning has not asked God to intervene on their behalf. Who is more powerful? God who wants you to stop sinning or Satan who tempts you to sin?
 
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Well Reddog let put it this way when I go to bed at night I pray Lord forgive me of my sins I'm a human being and you know it and I know and forgive me and help me try not to sin as much tommorow and I love you Lord AMEN. and in the morning I pray Lord help me get through this day and give the opprotnity to tell someone about you today.

When I was an SDA I suffered from insomnia.

I would lay awake worrying if there was a sin I was ignorant of that I forgot to ask forgiveness for and afraid to fall asleep because if, according to EGW, there was even one unrepented of sin(and ignorance is no excuse) I would NOT be saved and would die the "second death".

Since I left SDAism and no longer believe this and have assurance of salvation I sleep like a baby. But most of the 14 years I was SDA I had insomnia driven by fear of falling alseep if I would die in my sleep with even one unrepented sin.

Shalom,

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When I was an SDA I suffered from insomnia.

I would lay awake worrying if there was a sin I was ignorant of that I forgot to ask forgiveness for and afraid to fall asleep because if, according to EGW, there was even one unrepented of sin(and ignorance is no excuse) I would NOT be saved and would die the "second death".

Since I left SDAism and no longer believe this and have assurance of salvation I sleep like a baby. But most of the 14 years I was SDA I had insomnia driven by fear of falling alseep if I would die in my sleep with even one unrepented sin.

Shalom,

Lebesgue

You got to have a little faith my brother...

If you love the Lord with all your heart and all your might, all the other things come to you...
 
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