What rest does Christ invite us into

DamianWarS said:

The mosaic law tells us the rest too (4th commandment) does this law point to this rest or are they different?

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Not a day of rest , a life of rest from the bondage of the law and the second death.

Transcendent peace, that is inexpressible.

Philippians 4:
5 Let your gentleness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand.

6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God;

7 and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

DamianWarS said:

So the rest is an invitation back into Eden and a release from the curse of man to toil and work?

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Yes. Although it is very hard to believe. To enter the joys of heaven now, instead of some unknown time in the future?

DamianWarS said:

Mat 11:28
"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest

What is this rest that Christ offers?

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I think it can mean rest from to constant attempt to earn salvation or something like that.

"I will give you rest..."

"Learn of me...and you shall find rest..."

Jesus is himself our rest.

See also: Psalms 37:7

DamianWarS said:

Mat 11:28
"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest

What is this rest that Christ offers?

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To rest from our self-righteous works of trying to maintain or obtain our right standing before God by what we do. To rest from a life of obedience and repentance to laws designed to modify our behavior and turn to a life of trust and dependence on the Holy Spirit to lead us in love. "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his (Hebrews 4:9-10)." Grace and Peace

Agallagher said:

Transcendent peace, that is inexpressible.

Philippians 4:
5 Let your gentleness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand.

6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God;

7 and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

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DamianWarS said:

So if rest is Christ then what does it mean to rest in him. I'm not looking for more abstracts but what it actually means to you and me

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DamianWarS, do you have any thoughts on my post, brother?

Good morning and hope everyone has a great day!

DamianWarS said:

This begs the question, what are "works"?

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The work of God is to believe in Jesus Christ (John 6:29). God has prepared the work we do in advance for us to walk in (Ephesians 2:10). Therefore, works are whatever God leads us to do that involves sharing the Gospel with others. Grace and peace.

DamianWarS said:

Mat 11:28
"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest

What is this rest that Christ offers?

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The rest that comes when we find the true treasure from heaven, no longer enslaved to and controlled or driven by the empty offerings and attractions of this world, the passions and possessions and pride that drive man to all kinds of wrong and selfish behavior, never satisfied.

DamianWarS said:

So if rest is Christ then what does it mean to rest in him. I'm not looking for more abstracts but what it actually means to you and me

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Hmmm...I didn't think I had written in abstraction.

Obviously, trust and rest are very much related. Knowing who Christ is, what he's done for me, and why, being also firmly convinced that this knowledge is true, I find I can trust Christ completely. Such trust allows me to rest in him, confident that he will be for me what he has promised to be, and to do for me what he has promised to do. (2 Timothy 1:12)

There is a conclusion in the chorus of an older hymn: "All things in Jesus I find." He is my life (Colossians 3:4) - both spiritually and physically (Colossians 1:16-17); Christ is my Redeemer, my justification and sanctification, and the source of divine wisdom to me (1 Corinthians 1:30); in the Person of the Holy Spirit (called the Spirit of Christ in Romans 8:9), Christ gives to me "all things that pertain to life and godliness," extending to me "great and precious promises" by which I can be a partaker of the divine nature (2 Peter 1:3-4); Christ has crucified my "old man" - rebellious, fleshly Self - uniting me with himself in his death, burial and resurrection (Romans 6:1-13; Galatians 2:20) and has raised me up with him into newness of life, free from the power of Self and sin. In Jesus, therefore, I find all I need to live both now and in eternity in joy, peace and rest.

DamianWarS said:

Could Christ be offering both? Does he offer the etneral rest too?

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Yes both the temporal making the load of our sufferings the wage of sin dying lighter. The sufferings will not be removed totally until the Sun and moon the two temporal corruption time keeper are under the feet of the new bride. Then there will be no more night this helps us understand that in God there is no darkness as sign of corruption dying.(running out of time.) he has no beginning of time or end thereof .He is not a man as us

Revelation 12 King James Version (KJV) And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Revelation 21:22-25 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

DamianWarS said:

often people stop at cliches like trust/rest in Jesus but without actually unpacking what trusting/resting in Jesus looks like. it matters to those who are struggling with unmet felt needs they desired to be met by Jesus but never really getting answers, to those the statement "trust in Jesus" becomes abstract because it's nothing something they can hold, see, hear, feel, taste or ultimately experience as long as they run on empty this continues to feel this way.



is this trust a blind trust then? a trust of surrender and letting go or a trust of denying self to follow him.

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I would add. The law of faith must be applied. (Philippians 2:13-14) This law is that faith is a work .They cannot be separated .

it is the goal of the father of lies that it as one work . . faith and works be separate. . Dividing that which he calls one. . and brings together that which God calls separate .

It can be seen in creation .Our Faithfull Creator by a work of his faith (the plan) exercise or work out his will empower things that were not there and it was good. the elements or work of his faith

Trust is a work of faith, Christ's labor of love working in us causing us to surrender while empowering us to perform the good pleasure of His name.

If a person tries to separate the moving of the Spirit ( the hearing of faith )from the empowering (to do) then they are offering "dead works".

The work of Faith (his) that works in us is both to will to hear and to empowered to do the good pleasure. And this will we do, if God the one with power permits or moves a person to do His will .

Hebrews 6 King James Version (KJV) Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame

DamianWarS said:

often people stop at cliches like trust/rest in Jesus but without actually unpacking what trusting/resting in Jesus looks like. it matters to those who are struggling with unmet felt needs they desired to be met by Jesus but never really getting answers, to those the statement "trust in Jesus" becomes abstract because it's nothing something they can hold, see, hear, feel, taste or ultimately experience as long as they run on empty this continues to feel this way.



is this trust a blind trust then? a trust of surrender and letting go or a trust of denying self to follow him.

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Pardon me for piping into this conversation, but I see something that I think needs to be addressed. You seem to want to avoid abstracts like "trust," but "surrender," "letting go" and "denying self" are more abstract than the term "trust." Trust is so universally experienced, that it almost needs no explanation to describe it. Even a small child can be persuaded to trust someone merely by using the term, and it seems that the term doesn't even need a dictionary definition to understand it. But the terms "surrender," "letting go," and "denying self" are figures of speech and need a well-understood context in order to understand what those terms mean.

My point is that just about any term used can be seen as an abstraction. I get that the Bible uses so many different ways of describing the same knowledge and experiences, because those writers knew that language by itself is inadequate for describing the nature of relationship with God. One of the typical MOs of Christians even in the NT is to try to boil the Christian experience down to a few words, and this causes a problem in that many who hear those words misunderstand those few words because they don't have the context in which those words were put together.

The point of all this is that the term "rest" is a spiritual term in this context, and therefore is an abstraction that is explained by other abstractions. In order to understand the term, there needs to be some serious Bible study where the term is studied in its various contexts to see what is being conveyed in those passages of scripture. In addition, if (like in my case in the past) one has not seemed to experience what those contexts are conveying, then one should ask God for that experience.

There are some problems in discussing something like this in forum: (1) people are going to give short opinions on the matter without explaining the contexts, (2) various people have different experiences, and different ways to explain or interpret those experiences, which is breeding ground for confusion, and (3) people tend to get bogged down in detail and rabbit trails that add to further confusion.

I'm somewhat of a skeptic, and is the reason why I say that I have doubts that you will be satisfied with the discussion in this thread. There are no shortcuts to the Christian experience, even though we keep trying to find them.
TD

DamianWarS said:

What are works? This may seem like a silly question but all kinds of people agree with "faith and works" but may define works differently. As a child I understood works as going to church, praying, giving offering and things like that but sometimes these things seem made up (or slowly absorbed into works). But what did James mean when they spoke of works?

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Works are the substance of the unseen will, called faith .In that way faith is a work the will cannot be separated form the substances.

Works we offer have no power they are a responce to him working in us to both will and perfm the good pleasure of Him not seen.

Hebrews 6 rightfully divides the understanding between a faith we can offer working towards God and a faith that comes from hearing God towards us as he works in us.

If we would offer our new born again faith towards Him by any work we could do it is considered dead. We are not the source of faith (the unseen things of God) .We have none to offer being dead in our trespasses and sin. We have the treasure of that power working in us but would never assume it is of us. . offered towards God as dead works. Verse 3 informs us and this will we do, if God permit.

Hebrews 6 King James Version (KJV) Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit.

The word toward as to how it is used is the key. It represent two direction as sources inspired from above bound on earth. Or earthly inspired of the father of lies towards the unknow heaven. .

Those who say they hear and say they are doing the work necessary for salvation are shown as they who crucify Christ over and over every time they violate the warning to not go above all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura)having tasted of things to come they refuse to believe in a God not seen as it is written. but rather follow after I heard it though the grapevine as oral tradition of mankind. walking or understanding by observing the things seen the temporal .

One propmised demonstration is enough for those in whom Christ is working to both will and perform His good pleasure. The better things that accompany salvation to those in whom our God does work in to both will and perform his good pleasure .

The promise that God not seen will not forget their labor of love or work working with Christ when attributed to the power of his name. . not as dead works our works towards him . . our amen so be it , we hear and are moved to perform it as it is wriitten. It God's word the one exclusive source of faith .. . not of us .

Us and them that went out because they were not of us. .

Hebrew6:9-10 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, (work of faith) which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.