What rest does Christ invite us into

[LoveGodsWord]

Most of your references are absent the word rest. Just posting scripture means little if it can't be explained. I'm looking for clarity not confusion and dumping a whole pile of scripture that have no apparent connection to the yopic right now is promoting confusion.

Perhaps that might be because not everything shared in the posts with you was only about defining rest but also included, how we receive rest, what rest is from, who we receive rest from and what we must do to receive God's rest and who God gives rest to. Your making paper dragons that do not fly (strawman). - Matthew 11:28-30; Hebrews 4:1-5; 9. After all that scripture shared with you are you seriously trying to argue that the rest we receive in Christ is not in believing and following God's Word and receiving Gods forgiveness from sin, death and condemnation?

 

[DamianWarS]

After all that scripture shared with you are you seriously trying to argue that the rest we receive in Christ is not forgiveness of sin and condemnation?

I haven't started an argument about rest only a question so I don't know what this means. And regarding the relevancy of the verses you quote, I read them in sincerity but was unable to establish a connection. Not all but many seemed random and unclear as to how they build to your point. So it's clarity I seek and if I'm too dull to see what is jumping off the page for you then please spell it out for me.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I haven't started an argument about rest only a question so I don't know what this means. And regarding the relevancy of the verses you quote, I read them in sincerity but was unable to establish a connection. Not all but many seemed random and unclear as to how they build to your point. So it's clarity I seek and if I'm too dull to see what is jumping off the page for you then please spell it out for me.

Lets talk detail then. What specifically was unclear to you and why and what context was the scripture used in that is unclear to you? I am asking for clarification as to better understand you here (no sinister motives) only seeking to help join the dots for you.

 

[Job3315]

So his rest is eternal life/salvation

Yes.

 

[DamianWarS]

Lets talk detail then. What specifically was unclear to you and why and what context was the scripture used in that is unclear to you? I am asking for clarification as to better understand you here (no sinister motives) only seeking to help join the dots for you.

I'm afriad its beyond my peripheral memory. I do remember you defined rest which was good enough I just missed the point of the other stuff and how it related to Christ's rest. You're welcome to rearticulate your points if you feel inclined to do so.

 

[coronawatching]

The link for article in post #3 (BBAS 64) was one of the best explanations of entering God's rest I have ever read or heard.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I'm afriad its beyond my peripheral memory. I do remember you defined rest which was good enough I just missed the point of the other stuff and how it related to Christ's rest. You're welcome to rearticulate your points if you feel inclined to do so.

I was only trying to help you by asking for clarification as to what it is you claim is not clear to you in regards to the scriptures shared and the points being made earlier through the scriptures showing what our rest is that of believing and following Gods' Word (the gospel rest)- Matthew 11:28-30; Hebrews 4:1-5; 9. To be honest all your post here tells me is that your not really interested in a discussion if you cannot tell me what it is your not clear or confused about in the scriptures shared with you. So what your saying now after making a claim that the scriptures shared with you are unclear you cannot tell me what is unclear to you and why? That does indeed sound very confusing if you do not even know what your unclear or confused about.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The link for article in post #3 (BBAS 64) was one of the best explanations of entering God's rest I have ever read or heard.

That article is a false teaching mixed with some truth. Gods' rest is different to our rest we receive through believing and following God's Word. No one enters into God's rest (defined as the seventh day Sabbath) in Hebrews 4:3-5 without believing and following Gods' Word - the gospel rest. v1-3; 9 Therefore it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath. The people of God are those who believe and follow Gods' Word (the gospel) *John 10:26-27.

 

[DamianWarS]

So what your saying now after making a claim that the scriptures shared with you are unclear you cannot tell me what is unclear to you and why?

I'm saying I don't remember and the more we continue in this manner the more fading my interests are. Right now we are just talking in circles.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I'm saying I don't remember and the more we continue in this manner the more fading my interests are. Right now we are just talking in circles.

Perhaps you can go back and tell me what is unclear to you. The post did not disappear from the thread once posted. You made the claim that something was unclear not me. I only asked you what was unclear to you to help provide clarification and now you say you forgot. You do not have to tell me if you do not want to, but saying you forgot does not really support anything you have said.

 

[DamianWarS]

Perhaps you can go back and tell me what is unclear to you. The post did not disappear from the thread once posted. You made the claim that something was unclear not me. I only asked you what was unclear to you to help provide clarification and now you say you forgot. You do not have to tell me if you do not want to, but saying you forgot does not really support anything you have said.

I'll be honest your initial remarks have soured me with this conversation, so at the moment I'm simply not interested in going through old posts and track down verses that have left my memory because you are now ready to talk about them. As stated, you gave me an adequate definition of rest which I've never protested but if the rest of the stuff is important enough you're going to have to take the initiative.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I'll be honest your initial remarks have soured me with this conversation, so at the moment I'm simply not interested in going through old posts and track down verses that have left my memory because you are now ready to talk about them. As stated, you gave me an adequate definition of rest which I've never protested but if the rest of the stuff is important enough you're going to have to take the initiative.

As posted earlier you do not have to tell me if you do not want to. I was only asking what was unclear to you to help provide clarification if something I posted was not clear to you. Just for my clarification though, because I honestly do not know what your talking about in this post, what initial remarks did I make that soured you with this conversation? That was not my intention in having this discussion.

 

[zoidar]

Mat 11:28
"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest

What is this rest that Christ offers?

Isn't this the same as:

Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Do not let your heart be troubled, nor let it be fearful.
— John 14:27

The rest/peace from owning what is bigger than the struggles of this world, that which the world can't take away.

 

[Joined2krist]

I don't know what this means. I'm not asking what the problem is I'm asking what is the rest Christ offers

Rest from 'self effort', 'self-will' which is the result of sin. When we come to Him as He invites us to, we can rely and entrust ourselves to His care and do His will in all our endeavors, for example, He says we should give thanks in all things which is His will, when we encounter any situation; good or bad, if we have truly entrusted ourselves to His will then we will give thanks and He will give us His peace in return. God bless

 

[marc b]

So if Christ's rest is the antithesis of these things then his rest is inner peace, freedom, purpose driven pursuits, and following?

Yes... but I would change your "purpose driven pursuit" to "selfish pursuits". Self is the worse enemy, it is never satisfied, never produces joy or happiness.

But if you're thinking - is that all? it's because your concentrating on a passage that points to the lesser benefit.

When your done camping on this one, try pursuing the ones that produces "streams of living water flowing from your belly". Your passage promises relief from death, the others produces life. Their all centered in Christ of course. But it's like entering the promised land. You can reach the gates of safety and camp immediately at the opening and marvel at the peace and relief. Or you can go much farther and enjoy the whole land, have trips and vacations, swim rivers, climb mountains, fly around, enjoy all the benefits in Christ.

 

[garee]

Mat 11:28
"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest

What is this rest that Christ offers?

The rest is temporal .Not to be confused with the eternal rest we will receive when we receive our new eternal bodies not subject to death .

The rest we receive under the sun today is Christ in us working with us to make the burden "lighter" . We must surfer in these bodies of death as he makes the work "lighter . In that way he must increase as we decrease.

We can rest when we hear his voice having been given the treasure of his power needed to do the good pleasure of God. We have that treasure in us when we do not harden our hearts (mix with faith) but that power or authority is not of ourselves . We remain powerless subject to the shared sufferings. If no power working in us with us then we do not find treasure that could make our hearts soft.

Abel the first recorded martyr had the power .Not as I will but as you will father.

Cain the fool remined a restless wanderer with no gospel all the days of his life. . . a marked man. suffer without Christ . .no future hope. . eternal rest

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

 

[RaymondG]

Mat 11:28
"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest

What is this rest that Christ offers?

It is the rest from all works. We can reap where we havent sown.....and without toiling in the ground.....similar to the when in eden. This rest is essentially an invitation back to eden....For those who are not too busy, working, to accept it. See the story of the fathers invitation to the feast...

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Mat 11:28
"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest

What is this rest that Christ offers?

Rest from the Mosaic law , the 613 Mitzvot. He made the last sacrifice. Blessings.

 

[DamianWarS]

You can reach the gates of safety and camp immediately at the opening and marvel at the peace and relief. Or you can go much farther and enjoy the whole land, have trips and vacations, swim rivers, climb mountains, fly around, enjoy all the benefits in Christ.

The promise land points to the rest of God. If we are to say Christ's rest he offers is the same as the rest of God (sabbath rest) then he offers us the promise land.

 

[DamianWarS]

The rest is temporal .Not to be confused with the eternal rest we will receive when we receive our new eternal bodies not subject to death .

Could Christ be offering both? Does he offer the etneral rest too?