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What Prevents The LDS From Being Saved

Again the "HOW" they are added to the flock is the question...

It's right here:

Rom_10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.


The problem is there is no universal Protestant Church...

In the sense of the Catholic Church, a physical hierarchy with a Pope, that isn't a problem at all. The church is spiritually united in Christ.

Rom 12:3-5 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. (4) For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: (5) So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

you cannot say that Protestant Church's dont require this or that...

Sure I can. I don't know of any Church that requires one accept any particular view of the end times, or any particular view of some obscure matter, as a determination of salvation. They do, however, all require the same statement of faith that this website requires, and the reason why these kinds of discussions are in the Unorthodox area of the forum.

http://www.christianforums.com/rules/#faq_rule_0

If there is a church out there that requires something more, they certainly do not do so on the basis of the Bible.

Again...only God can judge their hearts...to the LDS or JW they are following what they believe to be truth...if they know the Trinitarian Jesus to be truth and choose to follow something else, that is another matter.

The scripture defines all unbelievers as being in darkness, or of being blind and deceived.

Tit_3:3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

Act 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

2Ti_3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

Being confident in your delusion does not save you. Neither does any pretended righteousness outside of God save you, because there are none who are good.

Mar_10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Salvation, then, is only through Jesus Christ, without whom we cannot be justified.

If we had it your way, anyone who was confident in their sin, and followed their own deluded religious practice faithfully, would be saved, despite denying Jesus Christ.

1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
 
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It's right here:

Rom_10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

But, you clearly don't "really" believe this, because after all, Mormons, Catholics, and otherwise ALL believe on these words, yet YOU "exclude" them from being Christians and believers simply because in some things we don't believe as you do. You also go further, you damn us to hell.

BTW, note how the verse also debunks your "Trinity"? God is the Father, not Jesus. Of course, not that Jesus isn't also God as his role in the Godhead, but the point is that the verse makes clear who is "God" and who is "Lord". And it also shows they are two different "beings", not simply "persons".
 
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It's right here:

Rom_10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Mormons do that...so explain how this verse (taken out of context) applies...



Spiritually united...but theologically divided. No protestant sect agrees with another, if they did there wouldnt be so many...


Again, if this were the case...why are there so many Protestant denominations?




Again, this is a fundamental problem with all of Protestantism (of which LDS is an off-shoot)...how do YOU know that your interpretation of scripture/theology is correct? How do YOU know that you are doing what is required?

Have you read the 6th Chapter of St. John? Jesus states:

"Jesus therefore said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, ye have not life in yourselves."

So, your intrepretation of this passage will (of course) differ from mine...how do you know you are correct?

The same applies to LDS...they are following their belief in good conscience...just like YOU they have theological issues....

I would worry about your plank first...
 
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Good point. Should we worship an exalted man? Does a saved person worship a god who wasn't always God?

2 Our Father Advanced and
Progressed Until He Became God


President Joseph Fielding Smith said: “Our Father in heaven, according to the Prophet, had a Father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father” (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:47).


President Joseph F. Smith taught: “I know that God is a being with body, parts and passions.... Man was born of woman; Christ, the Savior, was born of woman; and God, the Father was born of woman” (Church News, 19 Sept. 1936, p. 2).

President Wilford Woodruff explained: “[God] has had his endowments a great many years ago. He has ascended to his thrones, principalities and powers in the eternities. We are his children.....We are here to fill a probation and receive an education” (Deseret News Weekly, 28 Sept. 1881, p. 546).

How does it help us to know that the basic elements of God’s life in a mortal world were the same as ours? President Brigham Young explained:

“He is our Father—the Father of our Spirits—and was once a man in mortal flesh as we are....

“...There never was a time when there were not Gods and worlds and when men were not passing through the same ordeals that we are now passing through....

“It appears ridiculous to the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, that God has been a finite being” (Deseret News, 16 Nov. 1859, p. 290).

(Search These Commandments, Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, Copyright 1984, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, pp. 152-153)

Mormons can be saved. They will abandon Mormonism when and if they are.
 
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A few of our critics have indicated that the LDS will not be saved because of the beliefs we hold. This is a challenge for anyone who supports that view to provide actual scriptures that shows our beliefs prevent us from being saved.




3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." 5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:3,5


"Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.


If any person, LDS or whoever is not born again they are not of God.


But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. Romans 8:9


Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.


Do you have the Spirit of Jesus Christ in you?


JLB
 
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Well, maybe not me. But most of the LDS I know sure do.


 
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Bible, Ephesians 3
1 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,



LDS Scripture, Doctrine and Covenants 132
1 When the Savior shall appear we shall see him as he is. We shall see that he is a man like ourselves.

2 And that same sociality which exists among us here will exist among us there, only it will be coupled with eternal glory, which glory we do not now enjoy.

3 John 14:23—The appearing of the Father and the Son, in that verse, is a personal appearance; and the idea that the Father and the Son dwell in a man’s heart is an old sectarian notion, and is false.
 
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Bible, Ephesians 3

1 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

If Phoebe is attempting to prove that LDS do not believe this, that is incorrect. In the context that this verse is given, the LDS look towards and in-dwelling of the Savior in our hearts so that be can be rooted in love.






These passages are actualy from section 130 - not 132.


Verses 22-23 at the end of the chapter help bring the topic together.


22 The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.

23 A man may receive the Holy Ghost, and it may descend upon him and not tarry with him.


In other words, it is physically impossible for God, or Jesus, to literally dwell within our hearts. That does not prevent the spirit of God from doing so. Nor does it prevent a metaphorical dwelling of peace within our hearts. And it should go without saying, that it does not prevent the power and influence of God from dwelling within our hearts.

Context is important.

If you want to argue that God literally makes His home within our hearts, rather than heaven, then I agree that LDS do not believe such a thing.


Context, context, context.


 
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So, sort of like the Catholics?



That's a really disgusting assumption.

How can you compare Catholics with LDS? - And the Baptism of the RCC IS valid. (As is any other Infant Baptism, which most Christian Churches and denominations do.)
I also came to believe that their faith isn't corrupt at all, but very correct. - I even dare to say, that it is the same the Early Christian believed in.
Yes, it took me some time to realize that, but in the meantime I'm firm convinced on that.
 
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Jesus is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Motherprayer I always enjoy your posts so much. Never think you talk too much, cause if it blesses someone that is the fruit of your spirit showing forth.
These threads give us all insight into the life of the posters. Some bless us, some not so much, yet we will all grow togeather and await the harvest.
Brothers and sisters in Christ, unite in the faith and be encouraged.
 
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I suppose the biggest problem the LDS have with being saved is they are trusting in a god who was a man before he was god, who had an intimate relationship with mary, but thats ok because he married her, who produced another god called Jesus and they put there trust in this other god called Jesus for salvation but because they believe they are responsible for their own sins not the original sins of Adam, they have to do good works too.
so basically they seem to have their work cut out for them.
 
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Ah, so it is you, Peebly. I thought so.


 
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