I don't disagree with Catholicism, you have just been speaking passed me and putting words in my mouth.
You disagree with Catholicism on Mormonism, at least through part of the thread, and up to a little while ago tried to make me believe that the Mormons are trinitarians and not henotheists. I don't actually find your arguments to be consistent at all.
Please show me where, anywhere in the catechism, where a person who doesn't believe in Christ is doomed for Hell.
So now you're back to the universalist argument, just a sentence away from being an uber-Catholic.
I'll give you a twofer.
Here is the Catechism
""Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336"
Though the Catechism does make an exception for those who are ignorant of the Gospel, those who either lived in far off reaches of the world who never heard it, or those who died before Christ in the pagan world.
Now here is the Bible, the higher authority:
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Please tell me anywhere in the Bible where if one doesn't believe in Christ, they are doomed for Hell.
See above, but here's a few more:
Mar_16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Joh_3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Joh_5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Please tell me why they should, and until you do, stop trying to sabotage my standing as a Catholic.
You disagree with the Catholic Church, which I showed with direct quotations, which strangely enough made you orthodox again. But you switch in and out of orthodoxy for some reason. Whether that sabotages your standing as a Catholic is between you and the Catholic Church. I'm just your fellow Protestant, though I don't disagree with the Bible.
I am two seconds away from just reporting you, because you have been outrageous on this thread to everyone who doesn't agree with you.
Go for it, I'll just have to report all your posts about the eeeevil Protestants, and your flames against me.
Just debate the topic, you don't have to get personal with me. It was you, after all, who pulled the Catholic/Protestant card in the first place. It was you, after all, who condemned Protestants as heretics to defend Mormonism as "not necessarily non-Trinitarian." If you aren't in agreement with the Catholic Church, you opened the doorway. Not me.
Catholic priests do not say that unbelievers are doomed. A person cannot be forced to believe something, it is impossible.
I'm a Calvinist, so actually I do believe people can be forced by the irresistible power of God. But as for people trying to force people to believe, obviously that is impossible. I'm not entirely sure what that has to do with whether or not Mormonism is a Christian denomination, which you alternate between calling it as being in "cult status" while at the same time saying they will be saved, despite being outside of your church and outside of the Bible, which at the same time you also disagree with, while at the same time agreeing with it.
Catholic priests are not fanatical idiots who posit such a thing as a person being doomed to Hell for something they have no control over.
People are doomed to hell if they do not ask for forgiveness. It's a choice of either coming to Jesus Christ in faith, or rejecting Him entirely for an idol that does not hear nor save. You're flaming me as fanatical only because I believe what your church apparently believes, but more importantly I believe it because that's what the scripture says. That's certainly offensive to people of other various religions, but that is indeed the Gospel. The Good news that Christ died for us, so that we can be saved through Him. If you don't want to be saved by Christ, you have the choice to try Muhammad or Khrisna or L. Ron Hubbard to make you white as snow. The question is, which one can actually follow through? My money is on Jesus, the living God.
Perhaps it's the people that do who should meet the fire.
Tell that to the Apostles,
Gal_1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
The thing is, I never said they were Christian. So there you go being a snake like you have been through this thread, being dishonest about other people's standing.
You said they would be saved based on their good works, despite not being Christians. That was the whole reason I disagreed with you in the first place.
Well your certainly not, that's for sure. Your soul is black. You've openly implied that everyone except Christians are going to Hell, you know that right?
Let me speak passed you for once
Except for the black soul part, you have accurately described my position. It's only you who thinks such a position is insulting and black. I consider it reading the sentence. Doesn't take an English major, though, in fact, I do have a degree in English.
And guess what? Believing in God makes you no better. You are living proof of that.
And the beauty of it is that I don't have to be better. I am saved by grace, and not by my own righteousness, which is nothing but a dirty rag in the sight of God.
Rom 3:22-28 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: (23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; (24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; (26) To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. (27) Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. (28) Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.